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18 inch Zombie Slayers

Post by grouse » Thu Jun 15, 2017 8:52 am

For the past two seasons I have been using 20" Zombie Slayers with 125 gr. Slick Trick magnums with my Axiom. I calculated the total weight of my arrow as approx. 417 gr. and the set up killed deer efficiently.

Recently, I bought a new 350 SE. My wife asked me for a Fathers Day gift suggestion and I told her to call Danny Miller and order some 18" Zombie slayers and some more 125 gr. Slick Trick Magnums. This morning I visited Black Eagle's web site and noticed that the 18" arrows come with 92 gr inserts instead of the 110 gr. inserts that come with 20" arrows. This means that I will now be shooting 380.8 grs. from my new (more powerful) bow, a little lighter than I would prefer. I will still have confidence in my set up but why do they put lighter inserts into the shorter arrows? Logic would seem to suggest the opposite.
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Re: 18 inch Zombie Slayers

Post by robertyb » Thu Jun 15, 2017 9:21 am

I don't know why they do it but my 350 LE loves them with the 92 grain insert at 18".
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Re: 18 inch Zombie Slayers

Post by vixenmaster » Thu Jun 15, 2017 9:33 am

Danny has the 110gr, but you need to let him knowed up front. So many ppl. want the lighter front inserts now fer the few fps, which is a wash ! 5-15 fps will not show or give you much til past 40 yds. Then you will see 1/2 diff at 50 yds. In reality the extra wt fer momentum would be much better fer the set-up. I prefer 400gr up to 500gr fer North American Game animals
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Re: 18 inch Zombie Slayers

Post by Quintehunter » Thu Jun 15, 2017 10:13 am

robertyb wrote:I don't know why they do it but my 350 LE loves them with the 92 grain insert at 18".
Same here...My 350 loves the 92 grain insert with 100 or 125 grain heads!

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Re: 18 inch Zombie Slayers

Post by L. E. Carroll » Thu Jun 15, 2017 1:33 pm

You can always move up to the heavier built 150 Slick Trick magnums to get a bit of your FOC back... which will increase your overall weight back to right at 405-406 grains.

I shoot 17" Zombie Slayers with 2 in Blazers and 92 grain brass inserts with 150 gn Slick Trick Mags. in my new 350 and it loves that combination even though the loss of 1 inch brings my OA weight down to just slightly below 400 grains. :wink:

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Re: 18 inch Zombie Slayers

Post by paulaboutform » Thu Jun 15, 2017 5:15 pm

I seem to recall that shooting 18" Zombies with 92gr brass inserts and 100gr points backed with plastic nocks and 2" blazers weighed 387 grains. That had me shooting 367-368fps from my M380 and I got sub 2" groups at 100yards. Deadly! If using Luminoks I preferred 125gr points or 110 grain brass inserts to bring my FOC back to where I wanted it for the accuracy I wanted. If you're not using Luminoks I believe you've got a deadly combination with the 92gr brass inserts you mentioned. I say try them out and see what you think because ultimately, dead is dead and any deer you shoot won't know the speed or force of your arrows. :wink:

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Re: 18 inch Zombie Slayers

Post by grouse » Thu Jun 15, 2017 7:05 pm

Black Eagle says Zombies weigh 9.1 gr. per inch so with 92 gr. inserts and 100 gr. tips they weigh 355.8 gr. I have some 150 gr crossbow slick tricks and some boltcutters I can use if I was really worried about the weight. I'll probably install the 125 gr. heads, dial them in, and go hunting. I don't expect to submit a post this fall about a deer I would have gotten if I only had another 25 gr. of weight on my arrow. I just wondered why Black Eagle used the lighter inserts on the shorter arrows. By the way, I do use lumenocks.
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Re: 18 inch Zombie Slayers

Post by paulaboutform » Thu Jun 15, 2017 9:52 pm

:oops: Hmmmm, well, I had 18" shafts at 9.1gpi. Plastic nocks at 8gr., 3×blazers @ aprox 18gr., 92gr brass insert, 100gr points and a 1" reflective wrap at approx 5-6gr.. Allow a small amount for glue and there you go. :D
btw, FOC won't be as critical if you're shooting mechanicals. Good luck with whichever you decide.

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Re: 18 inch Zombie Slayers

Post by robertyb » Fri Jun 16, 2017 7:55 am

My 18" ZSs with 92 grain inserts, blazer vanes, luminocks and 100 grain heads come in just over 400 grains.
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Re: 18 inch Zombie Slayers

Post by grouse » Fri Jun 16, 2017 9:34 am

Do the vanes and nocks add another 20 grs. or is the 9.1 grs. per inch understated?
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Re: 18 inch Zombie Slayers

Post by ThunderXB » Fri Jun 16, 2017 9:44 am

robertyb wrote:My 18" ZSs with 92 grain inserts, blazer vanes, luminocks and 100 grain heads come in just over 400 grains.

Set up the same as this, WITH a small plastic washer between the insert and point, mine weigh 403.5 gr.

That is with the Zombie logos wiped off of the arrow with acetone.


"Do the vanes and nocks add another 20 grs. or is the 9.1 grs. per inch understated?"

The 9.1 gr per inch is the bare shaft alone.

Blazer vanes weigh 6 gr a piece and the BE Zombie flat plastic nock is 8 gr. (so 3 vanes and a plastic nock add 26 gr)

And, YES, although minimal, the weight of the glue does add something.
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Re: 18 inch Zombie Slayers

Post by W.Miguire » Fri Jun 16, 2017 10:11 am

If you want to go heaver Black Eagle makes weight to go on the back of your inserts . you can put them in from the nock end . take a look on their web site.
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