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Yup, use 1002 for duct tape.LoneWolf wrote: Only problem with that is most turkey hunter's like to get pictures taken with their bird, and the bird would be headless!... *L*
Well, I guess you could always duct tape it back on!...
Mr Futtere I commend you on your product. But that does not mean that I will indorse it. I understand that you are trying to get a product off and onto the market and what missreputations or iliinformed opinions can do to a product. Even in saying that, I take offence to your post.Arrowdynamic wrote:The 100 grain Guillotine was developed specifically for crossbow shooters. The Guillotine kills the bird in less than 1.5 milliseconds. Doesn't get any more lethal than that. The neck/head area is a huge kill zone in comparison the internal vitals.
Should anyone have a particular question on the broadhead other than those assumptions made and posted thru ought the internet. Just call. I'll be glad to answer so you can make an informed decision..not simply be pursuaded by a less than knowledgable person with a closed mind telling you what you should shoot.
Consider that the state of Oklahoma changed the law to ALLOW the Guillotine to be used due to its proven effectiveness. First in the history of the sport where that has happened.
Good hunting with whatever you choose to chase them with!
Respectfully,
Matthew Futtere
Inventor
The above two statements dirrectly from your website is a contributating factor why I do not recomend them to crossbow shooters and why I recommend that the hunter use their regular heads with the arrow arresters. For most hunters COST is a major factor in hunting supplies. I am not saying that someone whould scrimp on thier hunting heads, far from that. But if you can keep your costs down and still be ethical with your choices, then you will have more money to spend elsewhere. Also with the regular hunting heads, you already have confidnce with them and your setup. There is no need to get special arrows with maybe different fletching and expermenting with a new setup."Why can’t I use the Gobbler Guillotine on my arrowshaft already equipped with the standard plastic vanes like I use for deer or other large game animals?
We use the larger four or five inch version offset or full helical, to ensure good "in flight stability" to achieve hunting accuracy. Not a new concept, just that we significantly pushed the envelope with the first big game bird broadhead spanning up to four inches of cutting width. As a result, more drag force is required at the rear of the arrow to achieve in flight stability out to typical hunting distances. With the Gobbler Guillotine having a larger cutting width, in a fixed, four blade design, we must follow the same laws of physical dynamics as if transitioning from target tips to standard cutting width big game animal broadheads. Hence the use of a larger feathered, full helical fletching so we can hit the bird in the head/neck region with greater confidence in shot placement accuracy.
Carbon vs. aluminum. "Why do you recommend using carbon shafts?"
With the leverage forces being lateral at moment of impact, you would only get one shot per shaft using aluminum. Our research has shown that it would bend the shaft right behind where the insert ends. This would also result in not enough energy transference to kill the bird. With carbon shafts, you have a shaft that absorbs this lateral energy just like the limbs in your bow. Once the pressure is released, the shaft snaps back to its original straight condition. You spend a little more money per shaft initially but get significantly more use from each shaft. Arrowdynamic Solutions follow and suggests you follow your arrow shaft manufactures recommendation to inspect your carbon shaft after each shot to ensure integrity for safety reasons.
Tom, do you agree that the neck is a larger target than the vital area?
but in my opinion it is tougher to get the neck shot because the neck mores more and faster then the main body of the turkey. Remember the crossbow needs the 100gr head not the 4x4".
LoneWolf I do not think that it is "cut & dry" to make a blanket statement like none is greater than the other. With the neck, it is more narrow but longet so over all you will have more square inch or area to hit. The vitals in the body has a greater DIA in area as to what to hit compared to the neck, but there is not the length, so it would have a smaller square area.LoneWolf wrote: Tom, do you agree that the neck is a larger target than the vital area?
That said, what I quoted above is morre like what I meant to say. Seeing that the turkey moves it's head and neck around so much and how fast they do it makes the vitals a larger target. It does to me anyway.
I never thought or said that they were not a good head or that they would not work when used for their purpose. That is neck shots. If they are used for that and NO BODY SHOTS taken they will be good. But I also believe that if you are limited to 2.5x2.5" heads you are limiting yourself alot in your abilities. I also Do not believe that even the 4x4" heads are just like using a shotgun. The pattern of even the tightest patterns would be greater then 4" at 20-25 yards so your degree of success would be better with the shotgun then with the 4x4" head.JRS wrote:I watched Double Bull Outdoors last night and they devoted the whole show to turkey hunts using the Gobbler Guillotine. They used compounds only, with the 4" heads, and it was unbelievable to watch. All they take is head/neck shots - they either hit the bird or miss. Even just a partial neck hit was enough to anchor the bird. When they were hit they just did a flip and that was the end. Essentially, it was just like gun hunting, they waited for the bird to quit strutting and extend its neck to look around and then WHAM. They showed about a half dozen birds being taken this way.
