Would you like more accuracy from your Excalibur?

[Tom]

I know people will say, If you do not take the time to learn, practice, etc., you do not belong in the woods. Well, you would be right. BUT, that will never be. People will ALWAYS gravitate towards the "Easy Button".

Not to be sacastic, but isn't that one of the main reasons most people use a crossbow over a vertical bow?

jh45gun:

"Do we really need it?"

I must ask you.

Did we really need the compound bow over the recurve?
Did we really need a rifled barrel over the smooth bore?
Did we really need a percussion cap over the flint lock?

I know, enough already with the "Did we's"
I hope you get my point that progress always progresses.

I like my electric lights. Do not wish to light my house with candles.

Thanks

I do take offence to that above statement (top one). I do not feel that ease of use is one of the main reasons most people use a crossbow over a vertical bow. Many on here shot both bows, the crossbow as well as the compound or recurve or longbow. Ease of use is am important factor but not the main reason. I believe that it is shooters choice that is the reason people shoot crossbows. Others need the crossbow because they can no longer bshoot the vertical bows or be proficiant enough with them. Hunting with archery equipment is not just shooting the tool, but the necessity to get close to the animal (within 30-40 yards) does not matter what tool you are using, that fact remains the same.

With that following (above) dirrected towards jh45gun, it shows us you do not really understand us or our feeling towards this.

Did we really need the compound bow over the recurve?
Did we really need a rifled barrel over the smooth bore?
Did we really need a percussion cap over the flint lock?

now a few did or do we ? from me

do we need fully automatic weapons to hunt with
do we need handgernades (spelling) to hunt with
do we need the 50 cal snipper weapon for 1 mile hunting shots

Well unfortantly there is a limit on what is needed and for what is pratical. I personally believe that with the shorter BOLT it will get serious opisition from people and government.

Now to your comment to me:

As far as rulings, it will not costs me a cent. When people vote, I will not be charged. That's a freebee.

To say it's not for you - You have not tried it or seen it in person - or seen what a production bow will do. Bottom line is; as hunters in a given field, ie. guns, bows, spears, whatever, it is our responsibilty to be as humane as possible.

Unfortantly it will cost you a cent, it will actually cost you alot of money if you have any money invested into this product. If you have loans invested into this, then you are charged intrest, and if you have actuall money invested, then you are losing the intrest involved. Untill you can go into full production with a large quanity of product that keeps the money revolving through the door (money working for you, instead of just sitting there) it will cost you money.

Now about what is for me and what is not for me. I have not fired an automatic weapon and I know that it is not for me. It just does not interest me to hunt with one of them or the other "did or do we ?'s" I asked.

Oh yea, by the way on accuracy. I shoot the Relayer 150lb (over 22 years old) and I get 1 inch groops at 40 yards (did it just yeaterday) with hunting heads on the arrow. Actually my hunting heads are on the front of the arrow, not the back like you suggested . Also my bow is STOCK. It is just the same now as it was when I purchased it from Bill & Kathy those many years ago. I have only had to change the strings, a scope and one bolt, otherwise it is just like a customer would have purchased it then. Oh I forgot one thing .... ...... I lost the orginal Do Not Dryfire sticker off the limbs this past spring

[designer 2]

mdcrossbow:

For pictures, look on page 10 of this thread.

Tom:

I am sorry you take this so personally. When I write things, it is about percentages of all people and hunters or target shooters or people who want to be a target shooters or hunters. My words sometimes may reflect the idea that I am talking to just you. No, ain't the case.

I strongly disagree with you about one of the main reasons people shoot crossbows over vertical bows. You must think about all people who hunt or want to hunt. Most of them [u]that want the easier way out [/u]will buy a crossbow if it is legal in their state to hunt with. You have your reasons and that's fine. Please do not bring automatic weapons into the mix. They have no bearing at all.

As far as money goes, NO, I do not have a lot of money. That is what it's going to take and I have people who want to deal with me on just that subject. I have the know-how and they have the capital. Business is not easy or fast.

[designer 2]

Wow! You are mad!

I am not looking for anybody's support here. Just comments and thoughts. You have stated yours. Good for you. Most people have had praises and only a few have had negative comments. You do what you want and have a nice day.

[Travis_81_81]

WAIT WAIT WAIT...I have a great idea.. Some one post a vote for some one that is always on here and a great guy of excalibur.. And that will send the guyback his bolts...designer 2 who ever wins the vote send him the bolts and let him try them..Then he can tell every one how they are..

[Hi5]

I resurected this thread from about a year's rest. I didn't anticipate though, that it would generate the passion that it did.

The sole purpose of a bolt or arrow shaft is to deliver a cutting edge to the animal being hunted. Period. Full stop. It has no particular significance that the shaft is 5" or 20", or 30"....except that shorter shafts do give better penetration. That could allow for greater blade width, if wind planing issues could be overcome.

Not every jurisdiction has rules governing minimum length. If there is a concern to prevent handXbows from being used for hunting, that is easy enough to do without resort to bolt length. An adequate minimum draw weight, blade width, and bolt weight would ensure that there was sufficient lethality. Bolt length regulation was the wrong way to go.

I would be sorry if development as discussed by designer 2 was curtailed by concern coming from residents of a few jurisdictions that have silly regulations governing bolt length.

[Stalker]

like I said earlier this product is not for me and after thinking about it.... I think that this configuration would probably be classified as a muzzleloader by the MNR / DNR anyway.........

muz·zle·load·er (mŭz'əl-lō'dər) pronunciation
n.

A firearm that is loaded at the muzzle.

muz·zle (mŭz'əl) pronunciation
n.

1. The forward, projecting part of the head of certain animals, such as dogs, including the mouth, nose, and jaws; the snout.
2. A leather or wire restraining appliance that, when fitted over an animal's snout, prevents biting and eating.
3. The forward, discharging end of the barrel of a firearm.
4. A restraint on free movement or expression: had a muzzle put on their high spirits.

so it would probably be allowed during muzzleloader season..... with the short bolt you would not want to try to fire it without the barrel.... unfortunately... even if you used a standard length bolt it would still technically be a muzzloader unless you removed the barrel..... it would probably create enough problems and grey areas that crossbows in general would suffer a setback.......

its just my opinion though........

[Digger]

Well I just looked atthe bolt on page 10, and haven't read the whole thread and probably won't now. I will not be shooting lawn darts out of my bow any time soon, so just put me down as a negative vote.

[designer 2]

Thanks Hi5.

It's funny sometimes when people grab a negative thought from a thread and expound on it to the Nth degree. Or think that whoever writes a comment that it is directed to them only (take it too personally). There are also others who like different things that are talked about on these forums and then a few pages later write negatives just to be one of the guys.

You want to get input, call Danny Miller. He had the bow for at least a week. He loves it. The man is busy so use some discretion. jh45gun: why don't you call him since you do not believe.

[designer 2]

jh45gun:

The bow will shoot standard bolt lengths as well without changing a thing.

I am sorry. When you work on a project for a long time, you tend to get a little defensive.

Sorry again, Jeff