B.C. natives win right to hunt at night

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Post by wabi »

Sounds like a right touchy subject for some. :?
I agree with Grizz.
I have a fairly high % of Shawnee blood in my ancestry, but somewhere back along the line my ancestors decided it would be wiser to forget the ways of war to remain on our lands, and simply conform to the new ways of living being introduced by the people invading our lands (European settlers). Some of my ancestors who resisted too forcefully were moved to reservations, but others just simply and quietly joined in with the new trend of claiming a "homestead" and working like the other "settlers" occupying the land. For several generations we have been American Citizens now. We (I) still know and practice some of the beliefs of my ancestors before colonization, but I also practice being an American citizen, too. I have served my country's armed forces in time of war, I have paid taxes, I have also taken advantage of my citizenship by reaping the few benefits I've needed such as unemployment, veteran's education benefits, veteran's health care, etc.
I love to hunt, fish, and live off the land as much as possible. I will continue to work for a living, pay taxes (I do reserve the right to grumble while paying), and hunt and fish for a part of my dietary needs. I will not ask special favors, nor do I need them. I am a hunter! My father, and his father, and his father, and so it was for as long as there is a memory were hunters. I need no special treatment to harvest my share of the game that the land provides. I will obey the game laws and regulations because they are implemented to assure my son will have a chance to continue our tradition of hunting.
I guess what I'm saying is that I am no different than any other American Citizen. I have the right to hunt, but my neighbors also have the same right. If we wish to preserve enough game and wildlife to continue the tradition, then we all have to play by the same rules. If I want to live a normal lifestyle as most Americans live, then I have to follow the same rules. If I want to have special conditions, then I need to call the BIA, surrender, move to a reservation, and let some government official tell me how to live.
Come to think of it, it may be those taxes that finally defeat us. If the government doesn't learn to manage money I may still have to surrender and let the rest of you pay more taxes to support me! :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Post by Daniele »

Koudos to you Wabi,
if only common sense and pride were that common!
Just as in the rest of society and therefore in the work force, a great deal of people have all the rights and priviliges but none of the committment it takes to stand up and be counted for what they owe to the rest of society and or employer.
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Post by Highlander »

On the surface, Grizzes argument seems reasonable. The problem with it in Canada is that every time the aboriginals want to do something on lands that aren't theirs, they just go ahead and claim that land. Suddenly, the lawful land owner has to defend his claim without any government support. Our politicians just don't want to get involved....spineless....If non-natives were to do this they'd be in jail in no time flat.
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I saw the beginning of changes when I was in SK. The natives can and do hunt 52 weeks a year. They can take deer anytime of the year and have begun to selectively shoot the trophy animals. They can sell the racks to collectors or folks who claim they shot the deer in SK. The consequence is the available racks for non-native hunters during the limited season are getting smaller in size. 160- 175 were common and plentiful. Now it is more like 140 - 160 are less common and 160 -175 infrequent. Some of the SK members should comment on this issue as they are closer to it than I am. Just my experience when I was in SK. BC will face the legal application of poaching methods across the province. Unless they have the eggs to restrict these nocturnal pracitces of a nocturnal prey to the reserves.

Regarding the unjust application of the law - Ask the folks in Caledon. They will tell you. A first nation person beat up a reporter the police stood and watched it happen and then charged the reporter. Only after public outrage was this wrong set right. I thought justice was suppose to have a blind fold on. Not peeking out to see what color the person was.
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Amen to that....
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gutpile wrote:Few have lost more than the natives! I hope they get everything they ask for.
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gutpile wrote:Few have lost more than the natives! I hope they get everything they ask for.
They do
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Post by Highlander »

The problem with saying that few have lost more than the natives is that it assumes that they owned it all -- they didn't. They were for the most part migrant and if they needed land from another tribe they would make an effort to take it. Just like we did.

And, even if we agree and say few have lost more, then I would argue that those few are long dead. Their ancestors have been doing just fine. I don't ever remember casinos being a big part of native culture....

Until we impose equality on them, they will always be privileged in our society. That, more than anything, will lead to the demise of their culture. To retain a culture, you need to retain your pride.

I really have nothing against natives. I'm with Bstout. I like and respect all people until they prove to me that they are undeserving of it. It is this system of patronage I despise. I feel it actually denegrates them. Because they don't have to compete, they don't try. This affects the way they look at education, entrepeneurism, and their own self worth. It's what killed communism...No incentive to improve...
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Well Said!
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What would be the difference if they said no?
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wabi wrote:Sounds like a right touchy subject for some. :?
I agree with Grizz.
I have a fairly high % of Shawnee blood in my ancestry, but somewhere back along the line my ancestors decided it would be wiser to forget the ways of war to remain on our lands, and simply conform to the new ways of living being introduced by the people invading our lands (European settlers). Some of my ancestors who resisted too forcefully were moved to reservations, but others just simply and quietly joined in with the new trend of claiming a "homestead" and working like the other "settlers" occupying the land. For several generations we have been American Citizens now. We (I) still know and practice some of the beliefs of my ancestors before colonization, but I also practice being an American citizen, too. I have served my country's armed forces in time of war, I have paid taxes, I have also taken advantage of my citizenship by reaping the few benefits I've needed such as unemployment, veteran's education benefits, veteran's health care, etc.
I love to hunt, fish, and live off the land as much as possible. I will continue to work for a living, pay taxes (I do reserve the right to grumble while paying), and hunt and fish for a part of my dietary needs. I will not ask special favors, nor do I need them. I am a hunter! My father, and his father, and his father, and so it was for as long as there is a memory were hunters. I need no special treatment to harvest my share of the game that the land provides. I will obey the game laws and regulations because they are implemented to assure my son will have a chance to continue our tradition of hunting.
I guess what I'm saying is that I am no different than any other American Citizen. I have the right to hunt, but my neighbors also have the same right. If we wish to preserve enough game and wildlife to continue the tradition, then we all have to play by the same rules. If I want to live a normal lifestyle as most Americans live, then I have to follow the same rules. If I want to have special conditions, then I need to call the BIA, surrender, move to a reservation, and let some government official tell me how to live.
Come to think of it, it may be those taxes that finally defeat us. If the government doesn't learn to manage money I may still have to surrender and let the rest of you pay more taxes to support me! :lol: :lol: :lol:
I wish there was a way to instill the pride you have in your country into the Canadian people. Native, French, and English ect. up here the the lack of patriotism is sickening! :evil: The native say they are not Canadian, the French say they are a separate nation living in Canada, the west prov. want a vote to leave Canada. And then we wonder why we have to have daily tv commercials shown on our networks to teach us what a Canadian is?? :roll: The lack of pride in our country shows big time in the way we have let the Caledonia occupation continue! How can we just sit and let terrorists take over a town? We sit and say it is “O.K.” because they are Native and they have the right to mess with peoples live and business ect. to protest??

I SAY NO ONE SHOULD HAVE THAT "RIGHT" in CANADA PERIOD!!!!!

Canada the country that has no balls and no sense of patriotism !! ( I hate to say that but it seems to be true.)
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Post by rutman »

If I buy a farm, I then own it. If I want to cut trees on it I have to get permission from the county and the local conservation authority. The animals on the property do NOT belong to me either. I can't hunt them at night, out of season with lights or any other lousy way of taking game.
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"There has always been a problem for Canada with the definition of its national identity........."

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I'm not even gonna touch this one... :roll:

However, I do agree somewhat with Grizzly Adams.
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bstout wrote:
Ah LW...you touched it! :D
LOL... I guess I did, didn't I... :lol:
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