Sportsman's Resume (Permission to hunt/fish)

jpscribbler · Post by **jpscribbler** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 8:59 pm

Joe -

Good start on your letter. Writing to area agriculture newspapers, weeklies and monthlies is a good idea. I do it.
I spent some time going through your writing and wanted to comment. Congrats for taking the time and effort. I like the tone and descriptive words in some of the stories.
I am particularly impressed with your open ltter to Jim Zumbo. You closed the letter by signing your name and including an email address. Too many people are willing to snipe from the sidelines and want to remain anonymous. Congrats for putting yourself out there an having the conviction to be identifed. Well done. A free press needs you.

Jp

joeumholtz · Post by **joeumholtz** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 9:01 pm

Seems reasonable to me, Griz. You're right. You paid off the mortgage and you pay the taxes. That gives you the right to set the rules and your rules sound all right to me, especially the litter one.

joeumholtz · Post by **joeumholtz** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 9:16 pm

Thanks Jp

I'm a firm believer in taking responsibility for one's actions and words, something that seems to be lost in a great part of society today.

rutman · Post by **rutman** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 9:19 am

Grizzly Adam wrote:Around here, it's more like:

"Hey! Mind if I hunt on ya'll this year?"

And the usual reply:

"Naw! Kill all you want!"

Or, as the farmer north of me put it in rifle season this year:

"Lay some thunder on 'em!"

Hope you have similar results!

I love it!
Here your better off to stop in with some pepperettes and a case of beer or a bottle of whiskey.

bait pile willie · Post by **bait pile willie** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 9:43 am

one landowner where I hunt was advised by his lawyer not to give written permission because of liability,although he gave me verbal permission saying I didnt know you were there. the one problem sithis area has a bylaw requiring written permission.yesterday whle walking on this property I saw two good bucks one had the largest rack I have ever seen.they made the body look small.

joeumholtz · Post by **joeumholtz** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 3:35 pm

I'm sure it varies country to country and state to state but here I've been told it doesn't matter what you sign or don't sign, a landowner can be held liable. Now I'm not an attorney and don't play one on TV so I won't vouch for the accuracy of that.

That said, my personal feeling is if I injure myself while hunting the only one liable is me...now if someone else does it to me (I've been there and can show you the scar) that's another matter.

rutman · Post by **rutman** » Sat Jan 19, 2008 11:00 am

I have never asked a landowner to sign anything. I think that would only decrease your chances of getting permission.
One of our landowners says the same thing every year.
I won't say you can and I won't say you can't.
Translation "go ahead with out my permission".

joeumholtz · Post by **joeumholtz** » Sat Jan 19, 2008 11:15 am

I understand what you're saying rutman and it used to be that way here. When I was growing up, it was generally understood that if the land wasn't posted you could hunt it. A combination of slobs (I won't use the term sportsmen next to the word "slob". The two don't go together.) a decrease in deer population, land being leased and lawsuits has changed things. Here, especially in the more populated areas of the state (where I live and hunt) I believe landowners will want as much info about who they are letting on their property as possible.

rutman · Post by **rutman** » Sat Jan 19, 2008 12:05 pm

Don't get me wrong, I think giving them your personal portfolio and contact info. is a brilliant idea. I just don't think asking them to sign on a dotted line is gonna help to get permissions. People don't want to sign anything anymore especially if it may bring on liabilities.

joeumholtz · Post by **joeumholtz** » Sat Jan 19, 2008 6:39 pm

No, I understood what you were saying rutman and you make a good point. I haven't decided whether to include a signature block for the landowner or not yet for the very reason you stated. Maybe the way to do it is leave the landowner signature block off and keep the hunter/angler's on. If landowners start requesting a place to sign it would be easy to add the signature line back in. I'll post the finished form to this forum when it's complete.

TNhunterKMC · Post by **TNhunterKMC** » Mon Jan 21, 2008 5:53 pm

Woody Williams wrote:Around here, it's more like:

"Hey! Mind if I hunt on ya'll this year?"

And the usual reply:

You can for $20 an acre...

At those prices are you allowed to pick the "acre" you want to hunt?