jh45gun wrote:Doug your not going to agree with me because you love your Savage rifle but Your gun is no more the average muzzle loader than a Patriot Missle.
No you are wrong. We totally agree on this point.
To me this is totally getting away from what a muzzle loader season is or was intended and I am not the old school that think you have to shoot a flinter or a caplock either though if that is anyones choice fine.
Some may think that we are getting away from the subject of the thread but I do not. When someone makes a decision for ALL about what is proper or improper this is where it leads. Whether it is how far I should ethically shoot or whether I should be hunting with a crossbow and scope at all is a matter of personal opinion and opinions change.
I happen to use a caplock and a underhammer of my own design but it still conforms with the spirit of what a muzzle loader should be and I have switched back to black powder. If others use the substitutes thats fine too but using smokeless powder in a gun that allows magnum charges and has the flat shooting characteristics of a centerfire IS NOT muzzle loading in my opinion just because you feed the bullet down the muzzle is a moot point your using a powder that does not mimic black powder in the least which is a key part of muzzle loading.
Again I respect your opinion here.
Even the subs mimic black powder so for you to use smokeless and the way it acts is not muzzle loading as it was intended. What your doing is finding a loophole to use a modern rifle during a so called primitive hunt.
Now we have a problem. Do you really think that I am finding a loophole in anything? I had nothing to do with the changing of state game laws. I abide by them. Public demand had everything to do with allowing the use of the most modern muzzleloaders for hunting as it did for crossbows also.
Even then I have no problems with guys using scopes on guns expecially those of us that do not see open sights as well as we used to. I do not have a problem with inlines either if they use a sub powder or the holy black. Choice of bullets even is not an issue with or with out sabots. However I think we have to draw the line using smokeless powder as that is NOT what was intended when these seasons were started. I do not think the Savage gun has made a large dent in muzzle loading or their would be more issues about it but if MORE gun makers start making guns to use smokeless than you will see a stink about using them in primitive seasons its only a matter of time.
Here again we see the use of "I think" used many times and you are certainly granted your own personal opinion. I can promise you that whatever "stink" arises out of this issue will be quickly deoderized as we see the same thing happening across the country concerning bow hunting. Those who choose to hunt in a more primitive fashion should have at it. I won't stand in their way. That is for sure. But there is a faction of people who love smokeless muzzeloading and more and more states are permitting it just as they are for crossbows.
My question for you would be the same question I would ask those who oppose the use of crossbows during archery season. The question would be...."Why?" Why excersise all of this energy when we are both hunting with a weapon of choice? I don't get it. Or at least I hope that I don't.
Doug
but you brethren are not of the flesh but of the spirit if indeed the Spirit of Christ dwells within you.....romans 8