Broadhead data . . .

[sumner4991]

I do not know to me there are to many variables. Like was it a heart shot or one lung. Or if it was a double lung heart shot. And what if the deer was alert or relaxed. My experince is that they take about 10 to 15 seconds to die after a double lung shot. Sometimes they jump and run for twenty yards and wonder what just happened and then they fall over. Or if the deer knew something was up when the shot took place can run a long way in 15 seconds. Same shot but went different distance. Just my thoughts.

Gerry,

I agree 100% Shot placement is a key factor. Size of the deer. Like you said, there are a lot of factors to consider. Nobody has a tape measure out there either.

However, if we average in a lot of shots and start seeing a pattern, then we can make some conclusions. All the factors you spoke about will be included in the data for all broadheads. It's kind of like playing tennis on a windy day . . .it's windy for all players. One tennis player will perform better and win. Same goes for the broadheads. I believe over time and a lot more data, we will see some patterns.

Can we really say that Slick Tricks are better than Wasps at this point? Not really, but, the data is leaning that way.

Let's see what we have after a couple of seasons.


Scott

[Michael Stogre]

A few questions come to mind in terms of refining this valuable
survey.

One: How do people measure the distance the deer run after being hit?
My suspicion, based on my own quick judgments is that we tend to
underestimate the distance from point of impact to point of recovery.
then there are the fractile line running patterns of deer, not just distance as the proverbial crow flies.

Secondly, We should be comparing lung shot to lung shot with each
broadhead etc for a truer comparison.

Thirdly, the speed of the bow we are using is a major factor.

And finally, do people check the sharpness of the blades right out of
the package or just assume they are sharp? I was using boltcutters this year and had to re-sharpen two of six right out of the package.

If people are interested check the broadhead survey on huntingnet.com
At this point I believe the rage two blade is the overwhelming leader!

[sumner4991]

A few questions come to mind in terms of refining this valuable
survey.

One: How do people measure the distance the deer run after being hit?
My suspicion, based on my own quick judgments is that we tend to
underestimate the distance from point of impact to point of recovery.
then there are the fractile line running patterns of deer, not just distance as the proverbial crow flies.

Secondly, We should be comparing lung shot to lung shot with each
broadhead etc for a truer comparison.

Thirdly, the speed of the bow we are using is a major factor.

And finally, do people check the sharpness of the blades right out of
the package or just assume they are sharp? I was using boltcutters this year and had to re-sharpen two of six right out of the package.

If people are interested check the broadhead survey on huntingnet.com
At this point I believe the rage two blade is the overwhelming leader!

One thing comes to mind here . . .money. I just don't have enough money to do an indept study. However, donations can be sent to . . .

I agree with what you are saying. However, this is a raw data study/survey and all rules are the same. If everyone is underestimating, then the results will still be consistant. As far as lung to lung comparisons . . .what if you were aiming at the lung, but, hit the heart? Would that be a heart shot or a lung shot? See what I mean? This is a raw way of measuring accuracy and the ability to kill an animal quickly. The accuracy of the broadheads will show up in the distance travelled. The more accurate broadhead will on average hit the vitals more times and thus have shorter tracking jobs, on average. I think a macro view will tell us a lot about the broadheads we are using. Like catcher was saying, there are a lot of factors. There are also a ton of ways to do the testing. Unfortunately, I'll have a hard enough time doing this simple one.

The Rage is doing pretty darn well in this test too.

[Leonard Hawkins]

took 2 this season with Shockwaves , both an avg of 50 yards. Really like these. have been using for 3 year and great results. Hawk

[swiftfox]

Sumner I took a doe the second week of October this year. Used Hammerhead 100gr, 2216 easton arrows and original camo vixen. My "guesstimate" is that she ran no more l5-20 yards. double lung slightly high shot.

Swiftfox

[Michael Stogre]

Sumner:

Yes you are right. Let's keep it simple and look for the larger trends.

I would like to add two more deer taken by my hunting partner

1: Oct. 1, 2008
yearling buck
double lung shot, complete pass through
30-35 yards
150 grain boltcutter

2: Nov. 3, 2008
buck fawn
heart/lung shot, complete pass through
35 yards
150 grain boltcutter

[sumner4991]

Got 'em, thanks guys!

[brokebow]

I know that some broadheads are better than others and how they work,but the bottom line is shot placement. I am still leary about 40 yard shots, I keep mine down to 30 and have never lost a animal yet. Jerry.

[ddwade]

Last year I killed 5 doe using the Wensel Woodsmans. Average recovery was probably around 50 yards. One went a little over a hundred but several dropped within 30 yards.

Thanks.

[Michael Stogre]

Tom Balfe, hunting on Manitoulin with his vortex crossbow, took his
third deer using a 150grain boltcutter.

Date: November 12, 2008; 5.15 p.m.
9 point buck, field dressed at 200 pounds
Double lung shot, complete pass through
ran in a zig zag pattern across a field for about 90 yards

This is the fourth deer we have taken with the 150 grain boltcutter.

[sumner4991]

Tom Balfe, hunting on Manitoulin with his vortex crossbow, took his
third deer using a 150grain boltcutter.

Date: November 12, 2008; 5.15 p.m.
9 point buck, field dressed at 200 pounds
Double lung shot, complete pass through
ran in a zig zag pattern across a field for about 90 yards

This is the fourth deer we have taken with the 150 grain boltcutter.

Thanks Michael . . .I just finished going back to last year and retrieving as much data as possible. Now I'm going to look at 2006. I noticed at the start of the 2006 trophy room, you requested the information to be posted. Looks like I might get a good amount of data there, thanks to that request.

I'm do some more numbers after I finish 2006.

Scott

[kev]

2 Does, and my Buck. I used a newer 06 short draw Vixen, Gold Tip 75/95 shafts cut to 16" and 17" both with Blaser vanes and 125 ST 125 magnums.

Small Doe from the ground at about 12-14 yards double lung went down at the shot got up and stumbled maybe walked 15 yards. Excellent blood trail from the point of impact.

Buck was at an up hill elevation upper creek bank/ravine and very slightly quartering away at around 15 yards. I shot to the lower back on his left rib cage and got the top of his heart, mostly luck. The bolt exited the front of his his lower chest. He took off quick only to crash maybe 40 yards from the shot. There was very little blood trail on him, just drops. Really it is a shot I maybe should of passed and was kinda surprised the bolt passed through and was just laying on the trail where I'd shot him.

decent fat Doe for #3 from at ladder stand at maybe 17 yards in the corner of the corn field. Good quartering away blowing through her lower right shoulder on the far side. She bolted up the edge of the field with no blood trail for 15 yards or so then it started spraying good. She was piled up about 50 yards from where I'd shot her. A blade on the ST 125 was bent and it peeled a Blaser off the bolt.

[charlie4]

excellent data, really appreciate your time to putting all this data together