Is this really fair?????? Not to me.

[vixenmaster]

I got no horse in this race! My thoughts are those Native ppl. have those rights given to them by the signed legal Treaty. There for i am in favor of them gettin their rights. No one wants to be denied Fairness. Its not about the deer its about what is theirs & rightly so!

[IH8ATTN]

All I hope for is they are doing it for the right reason and its controlled. I have seen some of the bucks in that park when I hike and I tell you there are some world class deer in that park. I have just heard so much negative things come our of these "aboriginal hunts" for example the one elk hunt that happened in Manitoba this last couple of weeks.

[bearclan]

Manitoba MNR issues 1700 tags- natives took 12 in one hunt, not 1200 - 12 lol

Les Nelson, a former Duck Mountain outfitter and elk rancher, said the furor over the recent elk hunt has been blown out of proportion.

"If that was 12 licensed white men and they showed it on TV, all the animals laying there, everybody would have been saying that they’re good hunters," Nelson said. "Because they natives went out and did it for themselves, they’re wrong. The thing is what they did is just as legal as the white guy with the licence."

[vixenmaster]

My step father is half Choctaw from Ms, fine man rest his soul. I wish all Native North Americans the best on receiveing their Rights! What most ppl. forget is that Foreign ppl. came over here & took North America fer themselves. It happens most ppl. & their country they lost become not much more than outcasts. Glad some got a Treaty thats Honored on alot of their requests. I had much rather see the Native ppl. hunt & get their game than the Wolves! Don't begrudge them their due. I am not up to date on Canada & its laws Treatys & rules, i jus personally feel what is right should stay right.

[one shot scott]

http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/breaki ... 79782.html


I wasnt familiar with what happened in Manitoba, I had to look it up

[Hi5]

Harvesting deer for food, says the MNR, and only archery equipment allowed?

That sounds to me like "sport hunting", not subsistence hunting. If the hubt was for the purpose of alleviating a food shortage, all bets would be off, and any instrument capable of killing a deer should be allowed--unless it was too dangerous to the neighbourhood. For example, shotguns with slugs or muzzleloaders instead of rifles, might be the rule.

This is racism, and it's no nicer than the old kind that wouldn't allow "Indians" into beer parlours or withheld the vote from them.

[taz3]

Native North American Indians have never brought any animal anywhere near extinction and that's without a governing body, not to mention they were not given the choice to NOT participate in the political structure that exists now. Ask any of the Chiefs or Elders how many animals should be harvested in a season, and they'll give you a better answer the any ministry personnel will without the need of statistics.

This topic is way beyond simple hunting rights!!

Here's to a successful hunt!

[wheelie]

Native North American Indians have never brought any animal anywhere near extinction and that's without a governing body, not to mention they were not given the choice to NOT participate in the political structure that exists now. Ask any of the Chiefs or Elders how many animals should be harvested in a season, and they'll give you a better answer the any ministry personnel will without the need of statistics.

This topic is way beyond simple hunting rights!!

Here's to a successful hunt!

Changed my mind and edited my responce. I was in nogotiations between two sides and I totally disagree with you.

[IH8ATTN]

Many locals especially the ones that border the park made it clear they are not having this and will be taking action (some more aggressive than others). I myself will be at a friends house and if a deer comes and flops on their property they are not letting them take the deer, that is for sure. This park has never been hunted and yes it is over populated but if you want it to be hunted, open it to all that can hunt and put in a draw, don't discriminate, plain and simple. I know many people that are having tag soup this season (in the wmu this park is surrounded by) and would love for the opportunity to take home some meat for their families but I guess they don't fit the "bill"

[taz3]

Native North American Indians have never brought any animal anywhere near extinction and that's without a governing body, not to mention they were not given the choice to NOT participate in the political structure that exists now. Ask any of the Chiefs or Elders how many animals should be harvested in a season, and they'll give you a better answer the any ministry personnel will without the need of statistics.

This topic is way beyond simple hunting rights!!

Here's to a successful hunt!

Changed my mind and edited my responce. I was in nogotiations between two sides and I totally disagree with you.

I'm referring to earlier generations, what is happening now, is only the result.

[wheelie]

With all Due Respect:
All I ask in this country is one set of rules for everyone. No bowing over to special interest groups and religions.

Natives are different. Have self goverment, and anything else on the researves they want but choose to live off researve and in the big citys making white man money. One set of rules. We did do wrong but it wasn't me, nor my father or even my Grandfather.

It is like low income house projects in this country, they have two, three and four generations of career welfare families living in them now funded by us tax payers. I am not talking natives here. Should never have built them places and have them all in one place. It just brings in crime and thinking scamming money instead of working is a way of life. Why not subsidize landlords instead. Then they are not living side by side thinking thats the way to live life. We are the working class paying taxes, buying rental properties, making jobs for people and all we get for it is the shaft from the goverment. Owning a small business, the goverment don't care a less about me and all they want is money for everything. Where does my money go?
Methadone programs. Don't even get me going on that one. Methadone is like winning a lottery for drug addict. They stand there and say they are clean now. No you are not you are still a drug addict. I think the goverment should buy me a case of beer every week for the rest of my life. I am one better because I pay taxes to help run this country.

Every job I do I collect taxes and summit the money to the goverment every three months. So basicly I am a free goverment worker. Does the goverment say to me, because you have an accountant and have to pay her to do your books and send us our money you can keep some of that money to offset the cost? Hell no, they audit me to make sure they got even the last penny and have more work for my accountant that costs me more money to pay her.

Hunting and fishing rights have nothing to do with it for me. Human nature is get a little and then push for more. But when is it time to say enough is enough. Who do I blame? I think it is clear that I blame the goverment. One set of rules for everyone.

Am I a hypocrite? Likely am because I do smoke and get them from the researve. LOL

[IH8ATTN]

With all Due Respect:
All I ask in this country is one set of rules for everyone. No bowing over to special interest groups and religions.

Amen to that, all I ask for

[bearclan]

we will start with who i am - Blake Bomberry Jr. (google me) I am the son of a Cayuga Chief.
I am a Trades Instructor, I hold a C of Q as an auto tech, and C of Q as Truck and Coach Tech and I am a CWB certified Welder. i earned an Adult Education cert at Brock U- which i partially paid for- not totally free Education
I was born a hunter had a gun in my hand since i was a kid. i am a race car driver - builder. i race at Flamboro speedway and Ohsweken speedway and have spun out at a few other tracks along the way.
the Provincial parks people's hands are tied because of laws put in place, in creating a sanctuary they forgot to take into account how deer populations expand so quickly, they would have to make amendments to a bunch of Acts:they know the deer population is an issue. i have been following this Short Hills issue for years: lots of collisions, farmer crop loss, damage to habitat and so on.
we have been talking about this hunt for sometime. from treaties negotiated by our Chiefs, we retained the Right to hunt fish and gather traditional medicines- that means i can go on any piece of land and do these things and i don't Need permission. I cannot be charged with Trespass or Poaching.- poaching is a term that does not apply to Natives. Treaties supersede any laws enacted that can deprive us of our Right to do these things. those old Chiefs were not so dumb after all, this includes Development. any city county expansion that interferes with our right to do these things has to be addressed and we will need to be compensated.
The huge amount of land that six nations lost in the grand river tract during some bad land deals had that stipulation- the government doesn't tell you that when you move here or buy a piece of land. you as the land owner have Privileges. they tell u what u can or cannot do on your land.
We are used as a management tool by the parks folks as alot of you are aware of. we go in on an annual basis and help keep populations in check. deer meat goes to families and to Longhouse for ceremonies (our church). It is the men's responsibility to supply the venison. Midwinter ceremonies is the end of our deer hunting season and at my longhouse we have to feed -100-150 people for 3 days; these ceremonies are thousands of years old.
i think it would be perfectly fine for you guys to hunt there too. but you have to lobby for it- the OFAH would be a good starting point- i am a member of OFAH. So start raising funds to lobby and start an ad campaign, good luck with that with all the special interest groups such as animal alliance (they got lots of money) and locals who will fight to oppose it. you may not like it but that is the system in place. i was taught to be Proactive not Reactive. so i am going to hunt in short hills. i will be hunting out of a Summit Goliath treestand with my exocet or my bowtech flatliner in my under armour gear which i bought at Bass pro in Vaughn and i paid 8 % tax on- i spend way too much on hunting stuff according to my Wife.

[robertyb]

Once again, good luck on your hunt. I personally hope you do well.

[IH8ATTN]

I know this has been going on for years (aboriginal rights) and I understand your side of it but why is spokesperson for the MNR Jolanta Kowalski saying that this hunt isn't about thinning the herd but you are saying its about keeping numbers in check? Do you have a bag limit? People want to know these things aswell. I don't find it fair personally but treaties and aboriginal rights are all way way before my time. For us to band together as hunters to be able to hunt in Shorthills will never happen, though it would be great, it will never happen. We don't and will never have the right to hunt in there, we are not protected by treaties, plain and simple.