Looking for tested speeds of the matrix 355

[yooper_man]

vixenmaster,

That's awesome, so does your canine pal help in finding the deer?

Shot placement is the name of the game regardless on how fast the arrow flies or how hard the arrow hits.

Andrew

[Calcobrena]

I suspect that dog got the deer and someone else is taking credit for it

[vixenmaster]

vixenmaster,

That's awesome, so does your canine pal help in finding the deer?

Shot placement is the name of the game regardless on how fast the arrow flies or how hard the arrow hits.

Andrew

Thats Gussy my # 1 blood trailer. Spect in our 4 seasons together she has found 20 deer, i have killed

[Calcobrena]

vixenmaster,

That's awesome, so does your canine pal help in finding the deer?

Shot placement is the name of the game regardless on how fast the arrow flies or how hard the arrow hits.

Andrew

Thats Gussy my # 1 blood trailer. Spect in our 4 seasons together she has found 20 deer, i have killed

That is freakin' awesome. Now I want one....

[newbie]

I find all these things ppl. do to get more speed an ongoin learnin period. I need more speed i need more & more. Why ? Miss Vixen shoots about 235-240 fps & look at the outcome. Been doin it fer many yrs http://s15.photobucket.com/user/smokepo ... 5.jpg.html]

I agree. I bought Trixxy cause she's sleek thin and makes me feel warm and fuzzy when she's in my arms. More speed compared to my vortex just came the package. I want a string that shoots consistent and quiet. And sexy looking too!

[JPjunkie]

vixenmaster,

That's awesome, so does your canine pal help in finding the deer?

Shot placement is the name of the game regardless on how fast the arrow flies or how hard the arrow hits.

Andrew

Thats Gussy my # 1 blood trailer. Spect in our 4 seasons together she has found 20 deer, i have killed

Bitches are the best dogs got two yard bitches myself

[Calcobrena]

I have a 6 lb maltese that trips over herself in grass over 2 inches :/ I wonder if I can train my cat to track...

[yooper_man]

vixenmaster,

That's awesome, so does your canine pal help in finding the deer?

Shot placement is the name of the game regardless on how fast the arrow flies or how hard the arrow hits.

Andrew

Thats Gussy my # 1 blood trailer. Spect in our 4 seasons together she has found 20 deer, i have killed

Worth his weight in gold a real treasure. Plus that level of dedication can't be bought.

Andrew

[pinshooter]

Whoa I finally got back on here lol I haven't been ignoring any of you I been having password issues.

I appreciate all the feedback! I had a 380 and as swamp said I should have kept it I guess lol but with a few shoulder issues it was a tad stiff and a touch louder than I wished it was. However where I shoot I get an echo.....depending on air noise, time of day it can actually sound louder than indoors. There is my home and storage building and it can amplify shot noise. I now have a second target and can change my shooting area a little easier if need be. So thats some background info.

I've been without a recurve for a while now and I miss it so I'm looking to come back on board and I'm torn between tackling the 380 again or a 355. The 355 seems to be the safest bet for an all around bow. There are different reports on speed and I'm waiting on one more person to weigh in but everyone pretty much agrees its noticeably easier to cock and a touch quieter and I haven't heard anyone say less speed than 340fps with my arrow weight. This doesn't mean I won't get the 380....I'm a sucker for speed It just means the 355 would be smarter from what I've been told.....note that I don't always do the smart thing lol

[Calcobrena]

I still don't get the cocking debate. I'm a fairly weak woman and I'm able to cock the 380 with little effort. (Was planning on making a youtube video tomorrow of my 380). However, I'm also 5'9". Honestly, I'm more convinced that if you have the height (I think it's 5'6" or above), you shouldn't even worry about cocking it unless you have physical/medical reason you can't (and if that were the case you'd probably wind up having a crank regardless which bow you pick). And I'm not trying to say that there's something wrong with a man that can't cock it. I'm saying if you have the height to put most of it in your legs, you shouldn't worry. If I had to rely more on my arms as a shorter person would, I really doubt I'd be able to cock it. If you're taller, don't worry about cocking; even us weakling females can do it.

As far as "quieter" sound is sound. The deer is going to hear it either way at 40 yards. You actually have an advantage with a faster moving projectile because it gives the deer less time to react. With that said, the 355 and 380 both shoot so fast that you shouldn't even worry about it either way. But, the slight audio differences in the 355 and 380 are both sounds that would spook an animal pretty equally and it would be the speed of the bolt that would improve your chances and not the sound. In other words, "louder" sound doesn't travel faster than softer sound. For you trig lovers, it's the amplitude of the wave that is effected by the loudness and softness. Sound travels at around 1100 feet per second depending on the humidity, temperature, and pressure. You'll see some figures put it at around 1116 and some will put it at nearly 1130 because of varying conditions. You can use the NL equation of sqrt(K/p) if you need a very exact number, but 1100 is a perfectly safe rounded estimate to two significant figures. Even a longer distance kill of 40 meters is only 131 feet. That means that it takes the sound 12 hundredths of a second to get to your 40 yard target. At 340 fps it will take your bolt about 39 hundredths of a second to hit your target. At 375fps your bolt gets there at about 35 hundredths of a second. That's not a big difference. 4 hundredths of a second is negligible. (now, the bolt actually does slow down as it travels so the actual speed is defined by an integral, but I'm not going to go that deep into it) Now, a deer's reaction time I've seen is upwards of 15 to 20 hundredths of a second. That's after it's heard the sound which took about 12 hundredths of a second. That means at about 27 hundredths to 32 hundredths of a second that deer is going to begin to react. However, that reaction ITSELF also takes a few hundredths of a second to move the deer enough that it could hurt the shot, so the deer's reaction time is generally negligible with highspeed bows and shots 40 yards or less. In other words, the slight sound difference is kind of a moot point. The only thing that a quieter bow MAY help you do is get off a second shot if you can cock it and reload it invisibly and quietly enough.

What arrow weight do you prefer? At stock, a 385gr arrow is 338fps which is just under your 340fps target. Now that figure can vary by up to 2fps, so you should expect something between 336-340 with a 385 gr arrow. Either way, the 355 and 380 are great. If you already have a good scope and don't want or already own the anti-dryfire, the 355 is a great money-saving choice.

[JPjunkie]

I still don't get the cocking debate. I'm a fairly weak woman and I'm able to cock the 380 with little effort. (Was planning on making a youtube video tomorrow of my 380). However, I'm also 5'9". Honestly, I'm more convinced that if you have the height (I think it's 5'6" or above), you shouldn't even worry about cocking it unless you have physical/medical reason you can't (and if that were the case you'd probably wind up having a crank regardless which bow you pick). And I'm not trying to say that there's something wrong with a man that can't cock it. I'm saying if you have the height to put most of it in your legs, you shouldn't worry. If I had to rely more on my arms as a shorter person would, I really doubt I'd be able to cock it. If you're taller, don't worry about cocking; even us weakling females can do it.

As far as "quieter" sound is sound. The deer is going to hear it either way at 40 yards. You actually have an advantage with a faster moving projectile because it gives the deer less time to react. With that said, the 355 and 380 both shoot so fast that you shouldn't even worry about it either way. But, the slight audio differences in the 355 and 380 are both sounds that would spook an animal pretty equally and it would be the speed of the bolt that would improve your chances and not the sound. In other words, "louder" sound doesn't travel faster than softer sound. For you trig lovers, it's the amplitude of the wave that is effected by the loudness and softness. Sound travels at around 1100 feet per second depending on the humidity, temperature, and pressure. You'll see some figures put it at around 1116 and some will put it at nearly 1130 because of varying conditions. You can use the NL equation of sqrt(K/p) if you need a very exact number, but 1100 is a perfectly safe rounded estimate to two significant figures. Even a longer distance kill of 40 meters is only 131 feet. That means that it takes the sound 12 hundredths of a second to get to your 40 yard target. At 340 fps it will take your bolt about 39 hundredths of a second to hit your target. At 375fps your bolt gets there at about 35 hundredths of a second. That's not a big difference. 4 hundredths of a second is negligible. (now, the bolt actually does slow down as it travels so the actual speed is defined by an integral, but I'm not going to go that deep into it) Now, a deer's reaction time I've seen is upwards of 15 to 20 hundredths of a second. That's after it's heard the sound which took about 12 hundredths of a second. That means at about 27 hundredths to 32 hundredths of a second that deer is going to begin to react. However, that reaction ITSELF also takes a few hundredths of a second to move the deer enough that it could hurt the shot, so the deer's reaction time is generally negligible with highspeed bows and shots 40 yards or less. In other words, the slight sound difference is kind of a moot point. The only thing that a quieter bow MAY help you do is get off a second shot if you can cock it and reload it invisibly and quietly enough.

What arrow weight do you prefer? At stock, a 385gr arrow is 338fps which is just under your 340fps target. Now that figure can vary by up to 2fps, so you should expect something between 336-340 with a 385 gr arrow. Either way, the 355 and 380 are great. If you already have a good scope and don't want or already own the anti-dryfire, the 355 is a great money-saving choice.

Explained rather nicely and the information you share is greatly appreciated by some of us Thank you for your helpful contribution

[newbie]

What arrow weight do you prefer? At stock, a 385gr arrow is 338fps which is just under your 340fps target. Now that figure can vary by up to 2fps, so you should expect something between 336-340 with a 385 gr arrow. Either way, the 355 and 380 are great. If you already have a good scope and don't want or already own the anti-dryfire, the 355 is a great money-saving choice.

So you have a 355.? Thought you had a 380?¿ And he states that he has a shoulder issue that's why he was looking at the 355. Unless I read it wrong

I appreciate all the feedback! I had a 380 and as swamp said I should have kept it I guess lol but with a few shoulder issues it was a tad stiff

[Calcobrena]

I didn't see the shoulder issue, sorry, but I did mention that a physical/medical probably be the only reason I'd consider one over the other as far as cocking. And yes, I have the 380, but I did cock a 355 and honestly I didn't really feel a difference but I think that's because I get to put so much of it into my legs due to my height. They both certainly have resistance, but if you have the height advantage and can put it in your legs, they both feel pretty close. The 355 does have the shorter powerstroke, but it's only the last few inches that really put up a fight and they feel about the same in both crossbows. That's just my experience with cocking both and I'm 5'9". A shorter person might see a more obvious difference in cocking the 355.

I was just saying mathematically, the xbows aren't that different. I was agreeing with him that he shouldn't worry about the speed and I was pointing out that he shouldn't worry about the sound either. If he plans to get a different scope than the tactzone or already has a scope and if he also doesn't want/already has the dryfire, the big difference is the $150 difference in price and that is definitely something not to ignore. Being shorter and having a bad shoulder are also sound arguments to lean toward the 355.

Either are excellent but if you want the anti-dryfire and need/want the tactzone, definitely go with the 380. And try to cock both. See how your height and technique compare between the two because if you're tall enough I don't think you'll be able to tell. I couldn't. 260 lbs sounded very intimidating to me, too, and I put off buying it for a couple months because of it. It's really not that bad.

[taz3]

There seems to be a distinct advantage to be taller and having longer legs when it comes to cocking crossbows. It seem the more you can pull upward with the least amount of arm extension the easier they are to cock. My buddy is an inch taller then I am, but has a shorter inseam and was surprised when he tried to cock my crossbow after watching me do it with relative ease.

[newbie]

He stated he had and sold the 380 already. He was also looking for tested speeds not assumptions. I posted a link to tested speeds already. Maybe I'll look up the meaning of tested I could be wrong again.
The new shorter bows are easier to cock being short draw. I think both are easier then my vortex was to cock. Don was kind enough to let me give his 380 a go.