OT: Canadain Firearm Buy Back Program

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Why attack licensed, law-abiding hunters & anglers? Justice minister GRILLED on $40m gun grab plan

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zw3X2BzdX9o

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Liberals Say They Have No Money For ATIP's

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p79E3axIMps

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Trudeau FURIOUS After Poilievre's SHOCKING Statement!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8cZmGzFcS3s

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Poilievre vows to reverse all of Trudeau’s laws attacking legal gun owners

Gun owners will get a reprieve once the Conservatives are elected, Pierre Poilievre says.

Poilievre promised to reverse every law that Prime Minister Justin Trudeau has implemented to attack legal gun owners.

Speaking at a news conference, Poilievre fielded a question from a concerned firearm owner about how his party planned to change the narrative around firearm ownership.

“We (will) just reverse everything that Trudeau has done,” said Poilievre.

Poilievre and the gun owner, Stacey, chatted about the vetting process that he had to get to acquire firearms legally.

“This is the least likely person to commit a crime with a gun. He’s already been vetted by the RCMP. He’s gone through vigorous training and his firearms are known to the government because he has licenses,” said Poilievre. “Trudeau wants to take away this guy’s firearms.”

He added that the expected cost of retrieving firearms from legal owners would cost billions. He ridiculed Trudeau for spending $42 million on a gun buyback program, yet failing to purchase a single firearm.

“His latest attempt is he’s trying to get the mailman, from Canada Post, to come to your house and pick up your guns and take them back to the government, which is absolutely insane,” said Poilievre.

Canada Post initially refused to collect guns under the Liberals’ buyback program.

Since then, the CEO of Canada Post has gone on record saying that the postal service will not participate.

Poilievre talked about the ridiculousness of a legal gun owner being targeted.

“If he were a criminal, would he participate in giving the gun over to the mailman? No. He would lie, and he would sell the gun on the black market. So the only people who will lose their guns on this ban Trudeau brought in are licensed, law-abiding people who are not committing crimes,” said Poilievre.

The Conservative leader added that Canada allows 99% of shipping containers to come in uninspected, which is where weapons that are actually used in gun crimes are coming from.

Less than 1% of containers being inspected has also led to stolen cars going unnoticed at the federal Port of Montreal.

Poilievre pledged that he would keep the illegal guns out and reinstate mandatory prison time for gun smugglers and gangsters who commit gun crimes.

Conservative candidate Ron Chhinzer, a former police officer, also spoke to the flaws in the Liberals’ plan.

“Not once in my entire career, not myself or any of my police officer partners, have we ever seized a lawfully-owned firearm from a criminal,” said Chhinzer.

“And when we go after people like Stacey for that, it’s such a waste of resources. It’s attacking and making villains of the wrong people, and it’s totally disregarding all of the criminals that are coming into our neighbourhoods, stealing our cars, breaking into our homes with guns, doing shootings in public spaces. And, they painted this picture that they’re not the bad people, Stacey is.”

https://tnc.news/2024/06/01/poilievre-reverse-gun-laws/

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Liberals Wish to Confiscate Every Registered Gun, Again Showing Registration Is Pre-Confiscation

The Liberal Party of Canada, assisted by its allies in parliament and in the RCMP, is working to confiscate every gun that government-licensed firearm owners had registered with the administration.

The confiscation fantasy isn’t new.

It’s the latest and most obvious example of an old concept that many gun owners refuse to believe: Registration leads to confiscation.

More accurately: Registration leads to attempted confiscation. Many attempts fail.



The Numbers

Canada’s 2.35 million licensed gun users have registered about 1.4 million of our firearms with the Royal Canadian Mounted Police – Canadian Firearms Program.

Handguns: 1.3 million (91% of registrations)
Rifles: 125,000 (9% of registrations)
Shotguns: ~500 (~0% of registrations)

Thousands of previously registered and legally owned firearms labeled as “Prohibited” have been seized and destroyed since their owners died, because it’s illegal in most cases to transfer their registrations to another person.

How We Got Here

June 1969: Liberal Party of Canada passes Bill C-150, inventing a law to confiscate firearms by assigning them to arbitrary categories.

December 1991: Conservative Party of Canada passes Bill C-17 authorizing cabinet to arbitrarily assign certain firearms to the pre-confiscation categories for eventual destruction.

December 1995: Liberal Party expands the mass criminalization of gun users by so much that they create a spinoff of the Criminal Code: the Firearms Act (Bill C-68). They invent the current anti-gun regime, including: the criminalization of gun users who aren’t government approved, and the arbitrary and misleading gun-confiscation labels of “Prohibited,” “Restricted” and “Non-Restricted.”

May 2020: Liberals order the confiscation of almost all “Restricted” rifles (110,000, mostly AR-15s), and tens/hundreds of thousands of unregistered “Non-Restricted” rifles and shotguns.

October 2022: Liberals order the confiscation of all 1.3 million legally owned and registered handguns after their owners die. The forced seizures in slow motion become law in Bill C-21 in December 2023.

What’s Next

Pending: The Liberals have said they will order the forced surrender of existing rifles and shotguns that are centrefire, semi-automatic, and take detachable ammo mags. (Bill C-21 prohibits future designs of such firearms.)

Notes on the Numbers

Estimates suggest that Canada has about 3 million to 4 million gun owners, about half of whom have a licence (PAL).

Estimates/guesses suggest that licensed gun owners registered roughly half their rifles and shotguns between 1998 and 2012, when Liberal politicians had made it the law to do so. Conservatives undid that law.

Registered Handguns: Includes about 1.1 million “Restricted” handguns and 150,000 “Prohibited” handguns.

Registered Rifles: Includes about 110,000 rifles that the Liberals+RCMP de-registered and declared “Prohibited” as of 01 May 2020 and that were registered and deemed “Restricted” before then, plus about 12,000 “Prohibited” rifles, plus 40,000-400,000 unregistered “Non-Restricted” rifles.

Registered Shotguns: Includes about 400 “Restricted” models and 100 “Prohibited” models. The Liberals haven’t targeted all their owners for forced seizures.

Note on the May 2020 Firearm-Confiscation Fantasy

The fantasy died the instant the Liberals delayed their surrender deadline until after the next election. Opinion polls show they are likely to lose by a landslide to the Conservatives, who have pledged to reverse Liberal policies.
Key Takeaway

Gun owners don’t register their guns, former gun owners do.



https://thegunblog.ca/2024/06/24/liberals-wish-to-confiscate-every-registered-gun-again-showing-registration-is-pre-confiscation/

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Eventually government will pass enough laws to make even the most law-abiding citizen a criminal.

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Eventually government will pass enough laws to make even the most law-abiding citizen a criminal.

They will try...

The writing is on the wall for the "government" that created this mess.
For well over a year now, they have trailed double digits in the polls - now down 22 points.
And they lost a major stronghold by-election last night - first loss of that riding in over 3 decades.

The incoming government has repeatedly and publicly stated they are going to get shed of all this nonsense.
Gets my vote...

Cheers

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Liberal gun grab program shooting blanks

The federal government's gun buyback program, aimed at recovering high-powered firearms blacklisted in 2020, has faced significant opposition from licensed gun owners, resulting in a mere fraction of the targeted firearms being recovered.

Blacklock's Reporter says according to records only 723 were surrendered by owners, and another third were seized in police investigations.

Cabinet in 2020 blacklisted hundreds of thousands of high-powered firearms. Federal consultants counted 110,161 affected by the ban. The Department of Public Safety later estimated the number was as high as 200,000 while the Budget Office put it up to 518,000 firearms.



Conservative MP Shannon Stubbs (Lakeland, Alta.) requested the figures, highlighting the program's lack of success.

Public Safety Minister Dominic LeBlanc attributed the resistance to the program to a misunderstanding, stating that the measures are designed to target illegal gun smuggling and sales, not recreational hunters and sports shooters.

However, a 2023 report revealed that licensed gun owners perceive the gun grab program as wasteful and unfair, as they do not see themselves or their peers as contributors to gun crimes in Canada.

The report also noted that less than half of owners with prohibited firearms are willing to participate in the buyback program, a significant decline from the previous year.

The government's initial notice required owners to surrender their property by October 30, 2023, but LeBlanc deferred the buyback until October 30, 2025, due to the stiff resistance.

“Every time governments or Parliament legislate in this area there is a very quick reaction from hunting groups and sports shooters, many of whom are in my constituency in rural New Brunswick,” said LeBlanc. “People I know go hunting.”

https://www.westernstandard.news/news/liberal-gun-grab-program-shooting-blanks/55607

LeBlanc obviously understands he is misrepresenting these measures.
Wonder why he thinks anyone would believe that at this point?

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Cabinet in 2020 blacklisted hundreds of thousands of high-powered firearms.

More wordsmanship - does that mean every non-22LR caliber?

Waiting for the day they outlaw bringing guns into Canada for hunting and competition and "killing" entire industries. What next, lead weights and barbed hooks?

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Bill C-21 will hardly bother gun-toting criminals​

The year 2023 proved to be a contentious year for gun control in Canada. After much acrimony in both the House of Commons and the Senate, Bill C-21 was finally passed unamended, and received Royal Assent shortly before Christmas.

Whether or not this is to be considered a good thing depends on where one sits in the Canadian gun control debate.

C-21 ushered in a huge, sweeping net of laws and regulations. For the proponents of gun control in Canada — Polysesouvient, Doctors for Protection Against Guns and the Coalition for Gun Control — C-21 is largely satisfactory, as well it should be as in its essence. It is a shopping list of their sundry gun control demands of the Trudeau government.

Nevertheless, they have not been shy in stating that it does not mark the end of their demands. On the other side of the issue, groups such as the Canadian Coalition for Firearms Rights, the National Firearms Association and various provincial hunting/sportsmen’s organizations have been steadfast in their opposition to C-21. They claim it will do very little in terms of combatting crime committed with firearms while further hobbling the firearms/hunting industry in Canada and burdening legal gun owners with yet more pointless layers of red tape and bureaucracy.

Bill exploits voter ignorance

Gun control in Canada is one of those strange policy realms in which people can be considered as knowledgeable or pretty much in the dark. C-21 was crafted by people who should be knowledgeable to appeal to those in the latter group. As such, it has several elements that exploit any lack of knowledge of Canada’s gun control regime. For instance, so called “red” and “yellow flag laws”.

Red and yellow flag laws are redundant and simply an appeal to the sensibilities of those who don’t know any better. Currently, under Canada’s existing gun control regime, anybody can call to report any gun owner to the authorities at any time for pretty much any “relevant” reason; and the police will show up.

If the reason for the visit is deemed to be legitimate, then all firearms will be seized. That this is already open to abuse in terms of vexatious and petty complaints is of no concern to anyone, save unsuspecting gun owners paid an unexpected visit by police for no reason save a grudge or the ego of someone with an axe to grind.

Further, these complaint calls can be done anonymously under the current system.

Under C-21, the subject of the complaint can know who made the complaint. While that may be of some interest to the gun owner about to undergo punishment by process, it is of great concern to women’s groups as it will reveal the identity of complainants in legitimate instances, as they themselves may have to petition slow moving courts to act. (1)

Problems with C-21 do not end there.

With C-21 as the law of the land, components like magazines and barrels will need licence verification prior to being bought, sold or traded between licenced individuals. This issue highlights some of the pitfalls of legislation based on ideology.

This reality comes into sharp focus when one considers just what exactly a firearm “barrel” is. What is it? A hollow tube. Not at first. Metal? Sure. What kind of metal? Which metal do you want? Polymer? Absolutely. Rifled? Not always. Threaded or pinned to fit into firearm receivers? Not all. Of certain lengths? Nope. What length do you want? Able to withstand high gas pressures? Again, nope, not all. Of specific diameter? Nope, try again.

From a practical standpoint, lengths of hollow metal or polymer pipe or rods purchased at any home improvement big box store can be used as a gun barrel with varying degrees of success, from one shot to hundreds or more. Even the bodies of ball point pens have proven to be sufficient.

Given this reality, the transfer of gun barrels cannot possibly be regulated as per the wishes of Trudeau and his gun control whisperers; all of which is to say the measure is nothing more than performative public safety theatre.

C21 is similarly problematic when it comes to popular semi-automatic firearms, but only if you are a legal gun owner who has meticulously obeyed the law.

Consider the case of the Ruger 10-22

C-21 bans the future introduction into the Canadian marketplace of semi-automatic long guns that have or can accept magazines of over the current legal capacity of five rounds. One of the problems here is that like all other recreational items and activities, firearms have their own cottage industry in terms of modifications and accessories.

So, while semi-automatic long gun XYZ may come from the factory with only a three-, four- or five-round magazine, enterprising individuals in the U.S. or elsewhere in the world can and will make larger capacity after-market magazines for it. The response by government will then be to ban that rifle or shotgun, even though the importation or possession of such magazines is already a criminal offence. A consequence of that ban will be the criminalization of any Canadian who had already purchased that firearm.

Lest anyone think that such a scenario is absurd, consider the case of the Ruger 10-22.

The 10-22 is a semi-automatic rimfire rifle introduced by Ruger in 1964. It comes from the factory with a 10-round magazine. However, the rifle is extremely popular with hunters and sport shooters on both sides of the border, and as a result is one of the most modified rifles in existence.

Consequently, there are after-market magazines with various 10+ rimfire cartridge capacities in existence. Canadian shooters have been using them without issue for decades.

Then, in 2007, Ruger rolled out a not-so-successful pistol version of the 10-22 rifle, called the Charger. The pistol was sold in the States, but not in Canada. Still, all 10+ capacity magazines for the 10-22 became prohibited devices as they were decreed to be pistol magazines made for the Charger, even though they were specifically manufactured for a rimfire rifle that had been in existence for more than 40 years prior to that U.S.-only introduction of the Charger pistol.

The absurdity of declaring something that has been in existence since the 1960s as having been specifically made for something that appeared in the 2000s is mind boggling. But that’s not the end of it, as legally Canadian owners of such magazines are liable to multi-year prison terms. (7)

Schrödinger’s magazine

Another central plank of Trudeau’s gun control policy is the Order-in-Council (OIC) of May 2020 in which some 1,500 types of semi-automatic long guns were declared to be prohibited firearms. It was at that time Trudeau stated, “You don’t need an AR-15 to take down a deer” — except when the government says so. Fast forward to December 2023 and Sidney Island off the BC coast, where it seems you do need an AR-15 to take down a deer. Not only AR-15s, but Americans with AR-15s, 30-round magazines, suppressors and helicopters to shoot 84 deer at a cost of $10, 000 per deer. (3)

In concert with Trudeau’s 2020 OIC, the government plans on instituting a magazine capacity cap of five rounds for all existing long guns and magazines, and for all action types, not just semi-automatics. This captures magazines that are both detachable from the firearm and those that are permanently fixed in place on the firearm. It is a particularly thorny issue.

The Trudeau government found it necessary to use semi-automatic rifles with 30-round magazines for small deer in coastal BC, but at the same time it wants to tell an elderly Inuit hunter out on the ice with his family that his old lever action rifle, chambered in a cartridge adequate for deer and caribou but unsuited to emergency use on polar bears, save for its magazine capacity, must handicap himself further and endanger their lives by having that magazine capacity reduced from seven or eight cartridges to five.

And all for the sake of satisfying gun control advocates in downtown Montreal. For despite Public Safety, Democratic Institutions and Intergovernmental Affairs Minister Dominic LeBlanc’s assurances that First Nations people such as this hypothetical Inuit hunter were adequately consulted and happy with his government’s gun control regime, including C21, what became evident during the various hearings was that this was, in fact, not the case. (2) (4)

The magazine capacity issue becomes even more complicated when one considers the sheer number of 10-shot Lee Enfield rifles in the possession of First Nations hunters and families. Of course, there is still the minor detail that as of at this time, there is no knowledge as to how all the various magazine capacity reductions can be done while leaving reliably functioning firearms that still retain some monetary value. And finally, there is the not so small matter of “Schrödinger’s magazine”.

Under the Firearms Act, it has always been illegal to be in possession of a magazine of capacity greater than the prescribed number of cartridges. Now, as C-21 comes into force, it will be illegal to possess a magazine that can be “modified” to beyond the prescribed capacity.

In real world terms, this means magazines that have been limited to the prescribed capacity by some mechanical means, such rivets or metal pins for example. The issue lies in the fact that for many magazines, it is not possible to determine whether it is modified or can be modified by simply looking at it. And the only way for an individual to determine as to whether the magazine is modifiable is to try and see if it can be modified, preferably before that individual is found to be in possession of it by police who then determine that it is indeed modifiable (go to jail).

And therein lies the rub.

Trying to find out if one has a prohibited device in the form of a modifiable magazine requires one to break the law by seeing exactly how many cartridges it will hold or tinkering with it to see if it can hold more than the prescribed number of cartridges. So, to determine whether one is breaking the law (possession of a modifiable magazine), one must break the law (modify the magazine). Rest assured, under C-21, doing so will result in a jail sentence, unless one is a La Presse reporter from Quebec and has the blessing of gun control advocates. (5) (6)

Little substance

All in all, C-21 provides very little substance in the way of preventing crimes with firearms. It is overly bureaucratic and restrictive towards those who willingly follow the rules of Canada’s already stringent firearms law regime, while doing very little to deter those who flout those same rules to commit crimes.

In short, there is nothing in C-21 that would have prevented people like the Nova Scotia mass killer from being able to carry out his rampage, despite what the Trudeau Liberals and their supporters would have one believe. The firearms used in that tragedy were all illegally obtained.

Nothing in C-21 would prevent the same thing from happening again. In fact, all the laws needed to prevent that tragedy from occurring are already in place. What was needed to prevent it from occurring was enforcement of existing laws, not the creation of additional laws that make it doubly illegal to obtain illegal firearms and murder with those illegal firearms.

In the end, C-21 is simply a sop to those who know little about Canadian gun laws, designed for the appearance of a government getting tough on thugs with guns, while it merely turns the screws ever tighter on those who have always played by the rules.

https://www.sudbury.com/columns/the-soapbox/the-soapbox-bill-c-21-will-hardly-bother-gun-toting-criminals-8095313

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Poilievre taking Trudeau to task over the Sidney Island Cull:

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Ay5OoJFlgAQ

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RCMP Asks Retired Police to Help With Liberal Gun Confiscations

The RCMP is asking retired and former police in its Reserve Program to help the Liberal Party of Canada’s political and regulatory attacks against government-licensed firearm owners and businesses.

RCMP Reserve Program

The RCMP Reserve Program this month contacted members in New Brunswick, its “J Division,” to join the Liberals’ forced rifle and shotgun confiscations targeting licence holders.

They referred to the crackdown ordered on 01 May 2020 as the “Assault-Style Firearms Compensation Program.” Although the Liberals have said they would pay firearm owners who surrender their gear for destruction, no compensation program exists, and the Liberals are scrambling to execute seizures they’ve been preparing since 2018.

‘Reservists Are Crucial’

“The J Division Reservists are crucial to the success of this program, please take the time to consider your participation and commitment to this RCMP public safety priority,” Allen Farrah, the RCMP Reserve Program’s New Brunswick coordinator for the confiscations, said in an e-mail to reservists.

The full e-mail is below.

Why It Matters

The RCMP is an essential Liberal partner for the authoritarian crackdown targeting honest citizens, instead of protecting honest citizens from it.

The Liberal+RCMP attacks undermine social stability and public safety by destroying respect for politicians and police, government institutions, and the law.

Although some RCMP employees support the crackdowns, many current and former staff oppose them. (Some of them subscribe to TheGunBlog.ca.)

Many Unknowns

Is the RCMP asking reservists to assist with the forced seizures in New Brunswick only, or also in other regions? Alberta and Saskatchewan have passed laws to block the confiscations, and other provinces also oppose them.

Why is the RCMP working on a compensation program that doesn’t exist? (Unless they’re copying the misleading Liberal name for the effort to criminalize and confiscate?)

Is RCMP calling on reservists to help on the ground with door-to-door confiscation raids, handing out cheques for some imaginary/forthcoming compensation, or other tasks?

Since the confiscation fantasy is on track to fail, why is the RCMP still working on it at all?

RCMP NB: ‘National Program’

“As this is a national program, I would ask that you contact our colleagues at RCMP National Media Relations office,” Hans Ouellette, a spokesperson for the RCMP in New Brunswick, told TheGunBlog.ca today after we published this report.

No Response to Our Info Requests

TheGunBlog.ca e-mailed multiple requests for information and comment to the RCMP and the Liberal administration, without any response:

RCMP Reserve Program, J Division, July 24: No reply until after we published this report. They directed us to the RCMP HQ media service.

RCMP Reserve Program, National Division, July 24: No reply.

RCMP National Headquarters, Media Service, July 25: They directed us to the Department of Public Safety, which oversees the RCMP.

Department of Public Safety, Media Service, July 25: They directed us to their General Enquiries service.

Department of Public Safety, General Enquiries Service, July 25: No reply.

RCMP Reserve Program “J Division” E-Mail

Following is the text of the e-mail from the RCMP Reserve Program



https://thegunblog.ca/2024/07/30/rcmp-asks-retired-police-to-help-with-liberal-gun-confiscations/

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Lists of firearms and devices eligible for compensation

Use the following lists to find all prohibited firearms and devices under the Assault-Style Firearms Compensation Program.

List of firearms eligible for compensation
List of firearms devices eligible for compensation

More information will be provided in due course on:

compensation amounts for businesses and individuals
methods to turn in eligible prohibited firearms and devices
how to participate in the program

https://www.canada.ca/en/public-safety-canada/campaigns/firearms-buyback/lists-firearms-and-devices.html

I for one will not be looking into the "how to participate" link.

They really lowballed me when they sent me suggested "compensation values" for my effected rifles - I stapled my Lawyers card to their letter and suggested they contact him directly in these matters. They have not bothered.

And I sincerely believe Poilievre will be Canada's next PM.
He has pointedly and publicly stated he will do away with this mess - something I believe he is being sincere about...

Cheers

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I don't doubt that Pierre will be our next PM, the only question I have in my mind is if it will be a majority or not.

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I don't doubt that Pierre will be our next PM, the only question I have in my mind is if it will be a majority or not.

I believe so. In fact, the latest polls are putting him ahead enough that even a coalition of the other three could not carry the field.

Fingers Crossed!