FOC Broadhead

[nchunterkw]

Lagarman...thanks and welcome to the forum. I can pretty much say without a doubt that you will love your new crossbow. But your avatar deer won't!! Hope you get him next year. Be a great way to break in the 380.......and get yourself some good eatin' and a nice mount for the wall.

[mr meat]

OK chronied my Micro tonight with a 361gr arra!! and got 336fps!Now will i have a problem with the F.O.C. opening on turkey or deer!

[Walkin]

This is a good thread. It gives us something to consider.

The alarm clock is set for 5 AM.; after making food and a thermos for the day I'm off. Gun range as the sun rises in the east while I'm shooting my new( to me) rifle to the west; Husquvarna 1640 in 30-06; made same year I was, 1960. I'll be thinking about this info on here.

In the afternoon it's down the road a few miles to my favorite place to poke holes in the Rienhart target with my Y25 and it's newly simplified sights. I'll be using a dulled down broad head for the first time this year; the muzzy 125 brand that I'm not completely sold on because one of them crumpled it's blades in the spine of a bear last spring that I wasn't able to retrieve. I'll be thinking about the info on here.

In the evening I'm going up on the winter range for bighorn to have a watch; almost a guarantee they will be there on the mountain off the main road. After 7 years I'm hoping for my sheep archery draw this fall on them and YES, I WILL MOST DEFINITELY BE THINKING ABOUT THE INFO ON HERE.

Hope you all have a good day tomorrow.
Joe

[SEW]

A few thoughts after re-reading the posts on this thread:
The FOC is a high energy requiring broadhead, certainly best suited to higher energy bows. Of course, raising the weight of an arrow and increasing the foc of an arrow will increase penetration, so even some lower velocity bows can be used with some higher energy requiring Broadheads.
On average, the larger the cut, the quicker the recovery and the more forgiving the broadhead is to less than ideal hits.
The FOC isn't the only game in town.
Swhackers come in a variety of cuts, wts, and have great practice points and are good choices for some lower energy set-ups.
Arrows do slow down some but my Zombies at ~400gs loose slightly less than 50'/sec from 3 yds to 100 yds out of my two Matrices. Still a lot of energy.
Even though I primarily have helical Blazers , I think many expandibles perform as well or better with offset vs helical. My next set of arrows will be back to offset.
Classically, pass-thru's are ideal; however, on the deer the FOCs didn't passthru, recoveries didn't seem adversely affected and maybe even enhanced.
If 50 yds were my max range, I'd more likely shoot the Spitfire Max. Spitfire grouping from 50-100 yds is not as tight as the FOCs and xwind is greater than with FOCs. I've had more classical broadhead performance, pass-thru's , yet with outstanding blood trails .
FOCs aren't for everyone but are a viable choice for many. I'm one of those.

[vixenmaster]

OK chronied my Micro tonight with a 361gr arra!! and got 336fps!Now will i have a problem with the F.O.C. opening on turkey or deer!

To put the power of yer Micro down here in words. Its equal to the E'max & Nox with yer arrow n speed. Both of those certainly would shoot the FOC with power. Keep yer shots 40 yds n under i see no problem unless you try to bust shoulders with that light wt. of arrow

[nchunterkw]

OK chronied my Micro tonight with a 361gr arra!! and got 336fps!Now will i have a problem with the F.O.C. opening on turkey or deer!

This arrow gives you a KE of 90ftlbs and a momentum of 0.53. Using the 1fps/3gr rule of thumb, you should be around 323fps with a 400gr arrow. That gives you 93ftlbs of energy and a momentum of 0.57. Similarly, a 425 gr arrow at 315fps would give you 94ftlbs and a momentum of 0.59.

IMO for turkeys, use what you have, but I would bump up the arrow wt for deer, and as Mike says limit shots to 40yds or so.

[nchunterkw]

On average, the larger the cut, the quicker the recovery ...

This certainly would seem to be the case but surprisingly (certainly surprised me) the data I was able to analyze - collected by other forum members for a period of years - does not support this idea. I was not able to break that data down in any way to show that BH differences affected recovery distance.

We should start collecting new data on this and see if things have changes with recent advancements such as the FOC.

[vixenmaster]

Well lets start the data this comin Fall. We don't want to put my 4 long distance runners into the mix fer this yr. I was totally unhappy with the yardage they covered. If'en i was to base distance on my BH & kills no one would use them fer anything other than a rabbit or turkey

[nchunterkw]

Well lets start the data this comin Fall. We don't want to put my 4 long distance runners into the mix fer this yr. I was totally unhappy with the yardage they covered. If'en i was to base distance on my BH & kills no one would use them fer anything other than a rabbit or turkey

We could actually use data from this past season to start. Just gotta collect the right stuff. Let's decide, then we can start a new thread. IMO more data is better than less. I say we need:
Bow Type
Arrow Type
Arrow Length
BH (specific so we can get num blades and cut dia)
Deer Sex
Deer Size (sm. med. large)
Deer Position (Broadside, Qtr to, Qtr away, Frontal)
Shot Placement
Vitals Hit (only verified data - no guesses)
Treestand or Ground
Shot Distance
Blood Trail Quality (subjective I know but it might help)
Recovery Distance

Anything else? I'm sure I'm forgetting something.

[vixenmaster]

I will copy yer post fer data & get mine all worked up. I knowed fer a fact if'en i read my kill posts n saw the distances the deer went prior to recovery N such. I would never buy the BH's based on the data posted!

[Species8472]

Well lets start the data this comin Fall. We don't want to put my 4 long distance runners into the mix fer this yr. I was totally unhappy with the yardage they covered. If'en i was to base distance on my BH & kills no one would use them fer anything other than a rabbit or turkey

We could actually use data from this past season to start. Just gotta collect the right stuff. Let's decide, then we can start a new thread. IMO more data is better than less. I say we need:
Bow Type
Arrow Type
Arrow Length
BH (specific so we can get num blades and cut dia)
Deer Sex
Deer Size (sm. med. large)
Deer Position (Broadside, Qtr to, Qtr away, Frontal)
Shot Placement
Vitals Hit (only verified data - no guesses)
Treestand or Ground
Shot Distance
Blood Trail Quality (subjective I know but it might help)
Recovery Distance

Anything else? I'm sure I'm forgetting something.

I would add:

- "State of Deer" i.e. nervous, relaxed, head down, head up, feeding, alert, stomping foot, bedded etc..
- "Pass Thru" - Y/N

[W.Miguire]

NAP makes a Foc just for turkeys I used them last spring with good results a body shot and went about 10 ft. I was shooting my 355 the shot was about 15yds. I like em.
W.M.

[mr meat]

NAP makes a Foc just for turkeys I used them last spring with good results a body shot and went about 10 ft. I was shooting my 355 the shot was about 15yds. I like em.
W.M.

Whats the difference between the two!!

[nchunterkw]

Well lets start the data this comin Fall. We don't want to put my 4 long distance runners into the mix fer this yr. I was totally unhappy with the yardage they covered. If'en i was to base distance on my BH & kills no one would use them fer anything other than a rabbit or turkey

We could actually use data from this past season to start. Just gotta collect the right stuff. Let's decide, then we can start a new thread. IMO more data is better than less. I say we need:
Bow Type
Arrow Type
Arrow Length
BH (specific so we can get num blades and cut dia)
Deer Sex
Deer Size (sm. med. large)
Deer Position (Broadside, Qtr to, Qtr away, Frontal)
Shot Placement
Vitals Hit (only verified data - no guesses)
Treestand or Ground
Shot Distance
Blood Trail Quality (subjective I know but it might help)
Recovery Distance

Anything else? I'm sure I'm forgetting something.

I would add:

- "State of Deer" i.e. nervous, relaxed, head down, head up, feeding, alert, stomping foot, bedded etc..
- "Pass Thru" - Y/N

Absolutely right. Meant to have that in there. Good stuff.

[paulaboutform]

Well lets start the data this comin Fall. We don't want to put my 4 long distance runners into the mix fer this yr. I was totally unhappy with the yardage they covered. If'en i was to base distance on my BH & kills no one would use them fer anything other than a rabbit or turkey

We could actually use data from this past season to start. Just gotta collect the right stuff. Let's decide, then we can start a new thread. IMO more data is better than less. I say we need:
Bow Type
Arrow Type
Arrow Length
BH (specific so we can get num blades and cut dia)
Deer Sex
Deer Size (sm. med. large)
Deer Position (Broadside, Qtr to, Qtr away, Frontal)
Shot Placement
Vitals Hit (only verified data - no guesses)
Treestand or Ground
Shot Distance
Blood Trail Quality (subjective I know but it might help)
Recovery Distance

Anything else? I'm sure I'm forgetting something.

Great idea! I would also specify, as you mentioned, high, mid, low lung. Double or single. Lung/liver, liver/ponch, ribs broken, etc....