Question for string makers and excalibur staff.

[gad]

Hi,
I just started to make my own strings using the TS PLUS material from brownell. The store that sell the material to me told me that this material came to replace the fast flight.

After end the string, the string haves 90 grains of weight X 120 grains of weight of my original fast flight. Both of them with 23 strands.

Can I use safely this material I have shot about 50 or more shots from my exomaX and the string is performing great.

[Bill T]

All these new string materials sure look good, but our experience has been that once you combine the stretch free type of materials from the Spectra - fastflight familys with endless loop configuration strings, limb life suffers. The harsh shock of recoil combined with the lack of mechanical cushioning that the endless loop design creates damages the limbs by overstressing the forward face. You will notice that Excalibur doesn't sell a fastflight endless loop string any longer, this is the reason. As far as going to a small diameter string by reducing the number of strands, this not only increases recoil slightly, but it also can cause grief if you make a mistake and hit a finger or thumb with it. The small diameter will have more tendancy to cut on impact. A couple of FPS aren't worth that in my opinion.

[Boo]

I was on the phone with Brownell last week because a duffus or two told me the same thing as you were told. According to Brownell Fast Flight Plus replaces Fast Flight. Brownell's customer service is great. If you send an email they get back to you really quick and the lady on the phone is really sharp!
If I were you I would increase the number of strands. The smaller the serving the less purchase area the claws have, the faster the serving wears. Also you are almost kinking the serving rather than smoothly rolling the serving over the string. There is also less tension on the string as well on a thin string. I would suggest that you use at least 28 strands and better to go to 30 or more. The string snap will be a bit less abrupt and may impart more energy to the arrow rather than the limbs. When you shoot a small diameter string vs a larger one you notice the difference.

[ChappyBoss]

Hi,
I have to agree with Boo, I have switched to a 30 strand FF string, made a little over length so it has more lots of twists in it. Which should help cushion the shot. The bow is much quieter, and accuracy is great.
ChappyBoss

[Boo]

gad, are you making Flemish or endless loop strings?

[gad]

gad, are you making Flemish or endless loop strings?

Flemish. The twisted ones. 23 strands using the ts plus.
I also make endless loop strings, but that is for my hoyt.

[gad]

All these new string materials sure look good, but our experience has been that once you combine the stretch free type of materials from the Spectra - fastflight familys with endless loop configuration strings, limb life suffers. The harsh shock of recoil combined with the lack of mechanical cushioning that the endless loop design creates damages the limbs by overstressing the forward face. You will notice that Excalibur doesn't sell a fastflight endless loop string any longer, this is the reason. As far as going to a small diameter string by reducing the number of strands, this not only increases recoil slightly, but it also can cause grief if you make a mistake and hit a finger or thumb with it. The small diameter will have more tendancy to cut on impact. A couple of FPS aren't worth that in my opinion.

Bill, thanks for your reply, but I am using the TS plus on a flemish string, build exactly the FFF string that excalibur sells. Am I in risk of damaging my limbs anyway?

[Bill T]

If you are using a flemish design the string will be fine, but please consider upping the number of strands to give a bigger diameter. Let us know how you make out, this is one I haven't tried.

[gad]

If you are using a flemish design the string will be fine, but please consider upping the number of strands to give a bigger diameter. Let us know how you make out, this is one I haven't tried.

I just built the string like that original flemish fast flight that excalibur sells. I have consulted the specs of the materials, both fast flight and ts plus have 120 lbs resistance by each strand. But it looks like that the ts plus is lighter and have a little less diameter on the ended string.

I think on the next one I will use 24 strands on the place of 23. It will end lighter anyway.

Both string and serving are doing well. Aprox. 100 shots from the exomaX and everything is holding up well.

[ComfyBear]

In my experience of making strings, I've found that the factory made FFF strings available in stores are composed of 23 strands of .015 diameter , and 95 lb tension strength string material.

Since TS Plus is of equal tension strength, I personally feel that even though 23 strands would be sufficient strength-wise, there is more shock vibration, and recoil than when using the factory string. This is due to TS Plus being only is .014 in diameter.

As such, I decided to make my strings using 28 strands. Not only have I been personally pleased with the results, but my strings have also gotten great reviews from others.

[gad]

Thanks. I will do some with 24 strands, but using the 3 bundles technique.
Will post results on the forum when ready to go.