My Wife,Children and Parents got together and told me that for fathers day I could get my dream gun.
I will be ordering a T/C Encore fully camoed with 12 guage barrel and a M/l barrel and a rifle barrel,with scope.
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I need help selecting a good rifle caliber for deer sized game.I am not a fan of heavy recoil.
I saw a deer hunt in Canada where a 280 was used.
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Now thats a loaded question 
How many calibur choices do they make for the TC again, and you will probably get that many answers. TC is an awesome gun, are you getting the Pro Hunter version? If so its supposed to take out a good bit of the recoil with the stock. But again on calibur, there are so many good ones to choose from. For your Florida deer nothing over a .308 should be neccessary though.
How many calibur choices do they make for the TC again, and you will probably get that many answers. TC is an awesome gun, are you getting the Pro Hunter version? If so its supposed to take out a good bit of the recoil with the stock. But again on calibur, there are so many good ones to choose from. For your Florida deer nothing over a .308 should be neccessary though.Why ride when you can walk!
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A .243 using a well constucted heavier .6mm Game Bullet should do the proper job on deer and medium sized North American game without rattling your kidneys.
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I love a 243... Picked up a Sako Forrester in 243 a few years ago for $400! Took it to the range and it was all over the target! Took it home and spent 5 hours getting the copper fouling out of the rifling...
Next visit to the range and it was printing 0.5 MOA groups at 100 yards.
Use the 100 grain Nosler Partition for whitetails and a Hornady 75 grain V-Max for long range coyotes.
What a great rifle and a pleasure to shoot. Yes I have a 375 H&H for dangerous game and a 300 Win Mag for moose and elk but they are "not" a pleasure to shoot!
With your surgery and all I'd stick with a 308 or 243. Both have reasonable recoil and you can enjoy a day at the range with them. Get into those big boys and 10 shots and it is time to put em away.
Next visit to the range and it was printing 0.5 MOA groups at 100 yards.
Use the 100 grain Nosler Partition for whitetails and a Hornady 75 grain V-Max for long range coyotes.
What a great rifle and a pleasure to shoot. Yes I have a 375 H&H for dangerous game and a 300 Win Mag for moose and elk but they are "not" a pleasure to shoot!
With your surgery and all I'd stick with a 308 or 243. Both have reasonable recoil and you can enjoy a day at the range with them. Get into those big boys and 10 shots and it is time to put em away.
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The 280 is a good round, but is a first cousin to the 7 Mag. IMHO if you go that route stay with the 7 Mag easier to get ammo. But my pick is a 300 WSM , but I hand load and there is so many differant types of bullets for a 30 calibur. This make it easy to load up and down depending on what I am hunting. And it doesn't kick any more than the 280 or the 7 Mag with a good pad. But all of the rifles mention will get the job done for deer. 243
again IMHO is to light for much of anything else but deer or varmits. Have fun with your T/C it is a great gun.
The 280 is a good round, but is a first cousin to the 7 Mag. IMHO if you go that route stay with the 7 Mag easier to get ammo. But my pick is a 300 WSM , but I hand load and there is so many differant types of bullets for a 30 calibur. This make it easy to load up and down depending on what I am hunting. And it doesn't kick any more than the 280 or the 7 Mag with a good pad. But all of the rifles mention will get the job done for deer. 243
again IMHO is to light for much of anything else but deer or varmits. Have fun with your T/C it is a great gun.
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Just my two cents worth but I also agree with the .243 for deer. I own just about all calibers but I shoot a .243 (also a Sako Forrester, isn't it just a delight Dr. Dan) better then my other rifles. I don't know if it is just the caliber or if it is the Sako, but my second best shooting rifle is also a .243, an old Remington 788 so I am leaning to the caliber as being the cause. There just is no kick with either gun and I suspect I get a better trigger break knowing I'm not going to be slammed.
And Dr. Dan, if you ever get the chance, pick up a sako finnbear, they are pretty darn nice also.
And Dr. Dan, if you ever get the chance, pick up a sako finnbear, they are pretty darn nice also.
From an issue of field and stream I read a few years back... I like the Remington Seven SS myself and I'd get the Leupold Vari-X III 1.5x–5x scope for the bush if I was married to your wife. 
Good Luck Saxman. A super nice gift that you will treasure for the rest of your life.
A lot of things go into a great whitetail rifle, but they all come down to one need: consistent accuracy.
by David E. Petzal
A couple of weeks ago I was speaking with a hunter who had grown up in eastern Europe under a Communist regime. When he came to the United States, he said, the first thing he did was go to a Kmart and walk down the aisles in wonder. So astounded was he by the variety of goods that he went back a second and third day to make sure it wasn't a trick.
So it is with whitetail hunters. We are besieged with rifles, bombarded with cartridges, and beset with scopes. You can get more conflicting advice on a deer gun than you can on the stock market. But be of good cheer; salvation is at hand. The answers to all your questions (aside, of course, from the romantic, theological, and financial) follow.
ACTION
Let's begin by accepting the fact that speed of fire is valuable in military weapons and nowhere else. Flinging lead is futile no matter how fast it flies out the bore. Ninety-nine percent of the time, a deer is taken or lost on the first shot. So we can immediately rule out those actions whose main virtue is speed of fire: the lever, the pump, and the auto.
But, you ask, what about that 1 percent of the time where a fast second shot could decide whether you eat venison or corned-beef hash? In the real world, it just doesn't help. The availability of fast repeat shots beguiles hunters into sloppy shooting, and they miss far more than people who are forced to do it right with the first pull of the trigger. As an international-caliber high-power shooter I knew used to snarl, "Rapid fire is the crutch of the incompetent."
This leaves us with the bolt, which, coincidentally, is also the strongest, the most reliable, and the safest, and comes with the best trigger. How are you going to argue with that?
WEIGHT/BARREL LENGTH
The ideal weight for a deer rifle is between 7 and 8 pounds with scope, sling, and a full magazine. In this world of marvels you can buy bolt guns that weigh as little as 5 or 6 pounds, but they are extremely hard to hold steady because they are so light.
For most whitetail cartridges, a barrel of 22 inches is about ideal. A longer barrel is more difficult to maneuver through the brush, and it adds weight. For cartridges like the 7mm/08 and .308, which don't burn a lot of powder, you can get by with 20 inches, and that makes for a very handy gun. The price you pay is a little added muzzle blast, but it's nothing you can't live with.
STOCK/FINISH
Wood is beautiful; wood is a miracle of nature; wood does strange and unpredictable things when exposed to changes in the weather. Your wood-stocked rifle that shot perfectly in the bogs of Mississippi may shoot a foot higher than it was sighted in for when you take it to the mountains of Montana. That is why we invented Kevlar, fiberglass, graphite, epoxy, and all that other soulless stuff that, when made into a rifle stock, does not shift, warp, or bend. You can drive tent stakes with a good synthetic stock.
The strongest and lightest synthetic stocks are made of Kevlar, and equally good ones, although heavier, are made of fiberglass. Below this level are a half dozen other materials that are much less expensive, but satisfactory.
Blued steel (chrome moly, for the metallurgically inclined) looks nice and is traditional. Stainless steel is jarring to some, and is tougher to machine, but it rusts much more slowly in rain, snow, and dew. Stainless barrels also last longer because they are more resistant to the scorching of powder gas. This one is a toss-up: If bright metal offendeth thee, go with blued steel. If you'd rather not worry about the rifle, get stainless.
CARTRIDGES
Deer are small, fragile animals that are almost always taken at close range and don't require a cannon to put them down. This selection of deer cartridges will delight and amaze you with both their good manners and their efficiency:
The .270 Winchester made its debut in the 1920s, but it is still an unbeatable combination of ample power, flat trajectory, and minimum recoil. It will handle anything from antelope to elk and has dropped more deer quickly than anything else I've used. I took one to Africa in 1988, and it did just fine. (A friend of mine used to hunt African lions with a .270, and he's still alive.)
The 7mm/08 is a .308 Winchester necked down to .284. It has minimum recoil and is absolutely deadly at ranges out to 250 yards, beyond which its modest velocity makes the .270 a better choice. The best 7mm/08 loadings I've used are the Winchester Supreme cartridges with either the 140-grain Ballistic Silvertip or the 140-grain Fail Safe bullets.
The .308 Winchester (see above) is best used with any quick-expanding 150-grain bullet. You will smile; the deer will not.
The .30/06 is actually too powerful for all but the biggest deer, but how can you omit it? The best bullets are quick-expanding 150- and 165-grainers.
Scopes There are other wonderful scopes that will do just fine for deer, but these four are excellent.—D.E.P.
Leupold Vari-X III 1.5x–5x
Small, light, and you can see the whole world through it. If you’re going to hunt in the brush, there is nothing better anywhere. $520–$580
Leupold Vari-X III 2.5X–8X
A masterpiece. Maybe the best all-around scope for American hunting ever made. Plenty of power for just about any kind of shooting, but with very little weight and bulk. $550–$700
Weaver Grand Slam 3x–10X
This is an excellent riflescope that retails at a price that’s not to be believed. We don’t know how they do it. $346
Zeiss 3x–9X Conquest
Like the Weaver scope above, an incredible bargain. They must be stealing them off trucks at some point. $499
Swarovski 3x–10x AV
The family that owns the company listens to what other hunters say. This scope is built to American tastes with superb optics and (for what you get) reasonable pricing. $832
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Five Perfect Whitetail Rifles
Field & Stream writers pick their favorite all-purpose deer guns
These writers have been hunting deer for a long time. They've shot a lot of rifles doing it. Now they tell us what their favorite deer rifle is, and more importantly, why.
(1) Hunter: Mark Hicks
Model: Remington Model 7400 Synthetic
Caliber: .30/06 Springfield
Action: Autoloader MSRP: $520
Comments: "The 7400 is a classic big-woods gun that handles well, spits quick second shots, and is accurate enough to take almost anywhere. The 7400 Synthetic is the same rifle--only tougher. Why .30/06? It’s easy to find, and it puts deer down in their tracks."
(2) Hunter: Ray Sasser
Model: Remington Model Seven SS
Caliber: .260 Remington Action: Bolt MSRP: $729
Comments: "I originally bought it for my son--and fell in love with it. So far, it’s taken 20 or so whitetails--all one-shot kills. It points like a shotgun and is pleasant to shoot. All my other deer rifles are now backups. When my family hunts together, we take turns using the Model Seven."
(3) Hunter: Wayne van Zwoll
Model: Weatherby Mark V Super Predator Master
Caliber: 7mm/08 Remington Action: Bolt MSRP: $1,561
Comments: "This 61/2-pound bolt of lightning has a lightweight graphite-fiberglass stock, fluted stainless Krieger barrel, near-perfect balance, and a crisp, consistent trigger. The 7mm/08 is one of the most versatile cartridges ever made for thin-skinned big game."
(4) Hunter: Joe Doggett
Model: Winchester Model 70 Classic Sporter LT
Caliber: .30/06 Action: Bolt MSRP: $727
Comments: "There’s something to be said for tradition. My favorite remains the ‘rifleman’s rifle,’ chambered for another classic performer, the .30/06 Springfield. It’s a fine-looking rifle that weighs in at about 73/4 pounds for stable shooting and tolerable recoil."
(5) Hunter: Dave Hurteau
Model: Savage Model 116FSS Weather Warrior
Caliber: .270 Winchester Action: Bolt MSRP: $520
Comments: "Not the prettiest rifle, perhaps. But it’s every bit as accurate as many guns twice its price; it keeps its point of aim in the worst weather; it has me covered for as far as I care to shoot; and it’s a bargain. There’s no better all-purpose rifle at this price."
Article URL: http://www.fieldandstream.com/fieldstre ... 84,00.html
Good Luck Saxman. A super nice gift that you will treasure for the rest of your life.
A lot of things go into a great whitetail rifle, but they all come down to one need: consistent accuracy.
by David E. Petzal
A couple of weeks ago I was speaking with a hunter who had grown up in eastern Europe under a Communist regime. When he came to the United States, he said, the first thing he did was go to a Kmart and walk down the aisles in wonder. So astounded was he by the variety of goods that he went back a second and third day to make sure it wasn't a trick.
So it is with whitetail hunters. We are besieged with rifles, bombarded with cartridges, and beset with scopes. You can get more conflicting advice on a deer gun than you can on the stock market. But be of good cheer; salvation is at hand. The answers to all your questions (aside, of course, from the romantic, theological, and financial) follow.
ACTION
Let's begin by accepting the fact that speed of fire is valuable in military weapons and nowhere else. Flinging lead is futile no matter how fast it flies out the bore. Ninety-nine percent of the time, a deer is taken or lost on the first shot. So we can immediately rule out those actions whose main virtue is speed of fire: the lever, the pump, and the auto.
But, you ask, what about that 1 percent of the time where a fast second shot could decide whether you eat venison or corned-beef hash? In the real world, it just doesn't help. The availability of fast repeat shots beguiles hunters into sloppy shooting, and they miss far more than people who are forced to do it right with the first pull of the trigger. As an international-caliber high-power shooter I knew used to snarl, "Rapid fire is the crutch of the incompetent."
This leaves us with the bolt, which, coincidentally, is also the strongest, the most reliable, and the safest, and comes with the best trigger. How are you going to argue with that?
WEIGHT/BARREL LENGTH
The ideal weight for a deer rifle is between 7 and 8 pounds with scope, sling, and a full magazine. In this world of marvels you can buy bolt guns that weigh as little as 5 or 6 pounds, but they are extremely hard to hold steady because they are so light.
For most whitetail cartridges, a barrel of 22 inches is about ideal. A longer barrel is more difficult to maneuver through the brush, and it adds weight. For cartridges like the 7mm/08 and .308, which don't burn a lot of powder, you can get by with 20 inches, and that makes for a very handy gun. The price you pay is a little added muzzle blast, but it's nothing you can't live with.
STOCK/FINISH
Wood is beautiful; wood is a miracle of nature; wood does strange and unpredictable things when exposed to changes in the weather. Your wood-stocked rifle that shot perfectly in the bogs of Mississippi may shoot a foot higher than it was sighted in for when you take it to the mountains of Montana. That is why we invented Kevlar, fiberglass, graphite, epoxy, and all that other soulless stuff that, when made into a rifle stock, does not shift, warp, or bend. You can drive tent stakes with a good synthetic stock.
The strongest and lightest synthetic stocks are made of Kevlar, and equally good ones, although heavier, are made of fiberglass. Below this level are a half dozen other materials that are much less expensive, but satisfactory.
Blued steel (chrome moly, for the metallurgically inclined) looks nice and is traditional. Stainless steel is jarring to some, and is tougher to machine, but it rusts much more slowly in rain, snow, and dew. Stainless barrels also last longer because they are more resistant to the scorching of powder gas. This one is a toss-up: If bright metal offendeth thee, go with blued steel. If you'd rather not worry about the rifle, get stainless.
CARTRIDGES
Deer are small, fragile animals that are almost always taken at close range and don't require a cannon to put them down. This selection of deer cartridges will delight and amaze you with both their good manners and their efficiency:
The .270 Winchester made its debut in the 1920s, but it is still an unbeatable combination of ample power, flat trajectory, and minimum recoil. It will handle anything from antelope to elk and has dropped more deer quickly than anything else I've used. I took one to Africa in 1988, and it did just fine. (A friend of mine used to hunt African lions with a .270, and he's still alive.)
The 7mm/08 is a .308 Winchester necked down to .284. It has minimum recoil and is absolutely deadly at ranges out to 250 yards, beyond which its modest velocity makes the .270 a better choice. The best 7mm/08 loadings I've used are the Winchester Supreme cartridges with either the 140-grain Ballistic Silvertip or the 140-grain Fail Safe bullets.
The .308 Winchester (see above) is best used with any quick-expanding 150-grain bullet. You will smile; the deer will not.
The .30/06 is actually too powerful for all but the biggest deer, but how can you omit it? The best bullets are quick-expanding 150- and 165-grainers.
Scopes There are other wonderful scopes that will do just fine for deer, but these four are excellent.—D.E.P.
Leupold Vari-X III 1.5x–5x
Small, light, and you can see the whole world through it. If you’re going to hunt in the brush, there is nothing better anywhere. $520–$580
Leupold Vari-X III 2.5X–8X
A masterpiece. Maybe the best all-around scope for American hunting ever made. Plenty of power for just about any kind of shooting, but with very little weight and bulk. $550–$700
Weaver Grand Slam 3x–10X
This is an excellent riflescope that retails at a price that’s not to be believed. We don’t know how they do it. $346
Zeiss 3x–9X Conquest
Like the Weaver scope above, an incredible bargain. They must be stealing them off trucks at some point. $499
Swarovski 3x–10x AV
The family that owns the company listens to what other hunters say. This scope is built to American tastes with superb optics and (for what you get) reasonable pricing. $832
Article URL: http://www.fieldandstream.com/fieldstre ... 71,00.html
Five Perfect Whitetail Rifles
Field & Stream writers pick their favorite all-purpose deer guns
These writers have been hunting deer for a long time. They've shot a lot of rifles doing it. Now they tell us what their favorite deer rifle is, and more importantly, why.
(1) Hunter: Mark Hicks
Model: Remington Model 7400 Synthetic
Caliber: .30/06 Springfield
Action: Autoloader MSRP: $520
Comments: "The 7400 is a classic big-woods gun that handles well, spits quick second shots, and is accurate enough to take almost anywhere. The 7400 Synthetic is the same rifle--only tougher. Why .30/06? It’s easy to find, and it puts deer down in their tracks."
(2) Hunter: Ray Sasser
Model: Remington Model Seven SS
Caliber: .260 Remington Action: Bolt MSRP: $729
Comments: "I originally bought it for my son--and fell in love with it. So far, it’s taken 20 or so whitetails--all one-shot kills. It points like a shotgun and is pleasant to shoot. All my other deer rifles are now backups. When my family hunts together, we take turns using the Model Seven."
(3) Hunter: Wayne van Zwoll
Model: Weatherby Mark V Super Predator Master
Caliber: 7mm/08 Remington Action: Bolt MSRP: $1,561
Comments: "This 61/2-pound bolt of lightning has a lightweight graphite-fiberglass stock, fluted stainless Krieger barrel, near-perfect balance, and a crisp, consistent trigger. The 7mm/08 is one of the most versatile cartridges ever made for thin-skinned big game."
(4) Hunter: Joe Doggett
Model: Winchester Model 70 Classic Sporter LT
Caliber: .30/06 Action: Bolt MSRP: $727
Comments: "There’s something to be said for tradition. My favorite remains the ‘rifleman’s rifle,’ chambered for another classic performer, the .30/06 Springfield. It’s a fine-looking rifle that weighs in at about 73/4 pounds for stable shooting and tolerable recoil."
(5) Hunter: Dave Hurteau
Model: Savage Model 116FSS Weather Warrior
Caliber: .270 Winchester Action: Bolt MSRP: $520
Comments: "Not the prettiest rifle, perhaps. But it’s every bit as accurate as many guns twice its price; it keeps its point of aim in the worst weather; it has me covered for as far as I care to shoot; and it’s a bargain. There’s no better all-purpose rifle at this price."
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LOL I'm an Elmer Keith follower and never liked Jack Conner so the 270 is out for me. As previously mentioned the 30 caliber probably has more bullet offerings than any other size so I enjoy the 308 and tolerate the 300 Win Mag when needed. For dangerous game I follow Elmers philosophy of dump em quick with a 375 H&H. Yes it has recoil but I have never noticed it in a hunting situation - I just feel comfortable knowing what kind of firepower I have when 5 or 6 miles from the nearest road and hunting a critter that can easily kill me.
I agree with the Leupold Vari-X III 1.5 X 5X. I would also add that if you can afford it go with the lighted reticule! Note Vari-X III I do not like the new Leupold VX-III. I think it is inferior to the original Vari-X III. You have to hunt around on eBay to find a good used or new Vari-X III but they are still around. This scope really gathers light for dawn and dusk hunting and that's when it is usually all happening. The only scope I think is better is a Schmidt & Bender but lets not even discuss what they cost. I bought a rifle a few years ago with an 8 X 56mm Schmidt & Bender on it and I never cease to be amazed by it. At dusk it looks like daylight in that scope!
In Ohio we can't use centerfire rifles for whitetails so rather than screw around with shotgun slugs I've always used a black powder 50 cal on my Encore. Never ever needed a second shot. With the sabots that are available now it is extremely accurate out to 200 yards and I've never shot at a whitetail at more than about 80 yards. Woods are just too thick to see them a further distances around here.
All kinds of possibilities with an Encore. And yes I agree with the one shot principle. If you know you only have one shot you tend to make it count. By the way - the trigger on the Encore is "Sweet". It is crisp and breaks clean out of the box and can be easily tuned to 2 3/4 to 3#.
Good gun - have fun.
I agree with the Leupold Vari-X III 1.5 X 5X. I would also add that if you can afford it go with the lighted reticule! Note Vari-X III I do not like the new Leupold VX-III. I think it is inferior to the original Vari-X III. You have to hunt around on eBay to find a good used or new Vari-X III but they are still around. This scope really gathers light for dawn and dusk hunting and that's when it is usually all happening. The only scope I think is better is a Schmidt & Bender but lets not even discuss what they cost. I bought a rifle a few years ago with an 8 X 56mm Schmidt & Bender on it and I never cease to be amazed by it. At dusk it looks like daylight in that scope!
In Ohio we can't use centerfire rifles for whitetails so rather than screw around with shotgun slugs I've always used a black powder 50 cal on my Encore. Never ever needed a second shot. With the sabots that are available now it is extremely accurate out to 200 yards and I've never shot at a whitetail at more than about 80 yards. Woods are just too thick to see them a further distances around here.
All kinds of possibilities with an Encore. And yes I agree with the one shot principle. If you know you only have one shot you tend to make it count. By the way - the trigger on the Encore is "Sweet". It is crisp and breaks clean out of the box and can be easily tuned to 2 3/4 to 3#.
Good gun - have fun.
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Oh yes - Sako Forrester is a sweetheart. It is also a controlled feed which I like on a hunting rifle. Never know when you are gonna be rolled upside down and still have to rack another round in the chamber. My hunting buddy uses a 45/70 Marlin lever gun for bear and I use 375 so we shoot them lots in preparation for bear season. We were at the range a couple weeks ago and I was shooting 17 Remington and 243 and he was shooting 22 LR and 223 and I went over to him and said, "Isn't this a wonderful pleasure shooting something that doesn't batter your brain and shoulder?" He agreed. That may be what I really enjoy about crossbow. Can shoot out in backyard and no kick and it doesn't offend anyone. It is a nice way to unwind in the early evening.
Oh yes - Sako Forrester is a sweetheart. It is also a controlled feed which I like on a hunting rifle. Never know when you are gonna be rolled upside down and still have to rack another round in the chamber. My hunting buddy uses a 45/70 Marlin lever gun for bear and I use 375 so we shoot them lots in preparation for bear season. We were at the range a couple weeks ago and I was shooting 17 Remington and 243 and he was shooting 22 LR and 223 and I went over to him and said, "Isn't this a wonderful pleasure shooting something that doesn't batter your brain and shoulder?" He agreed. That may be what I really enjoy about crossbow. Can shoot out in backyard and no kick and it doesn't offend anyone. It is a nice way to unwind in the early evening.
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