Gold Tip out, Easton in

Stash · Post by **Stash** » Thu Jul 26, 2007 9:14 pm

Excalibur has now discontinued the Gold Tip Laser IIs and replaced them with an Easton arrow. The new Easton "Firebolt" weighs about 20 grains more than the GT.

Has anyone had a chance to shoot these at long ranges yet?

KYXbow · Post by **KYXbow** » Thu Jul 26, 2007 9:43 pm

Where did you find this?

Stash · Post by **Stash** » Thu Jul 26, 2007 9:51 pm

New stock coming in to the store where I work includes these new arrows. I just noticed them yesterday and called Excalibur, and got it confirmed. Today the local Excal rep was in our store and I talked to him about it.

A source high up in the organization mentioned to me several months ago that they were having quality control issues with GT and were considering switching brands.

These are apparently not rebranded Easton Powerbolts, but a specific shaft made for Excalibur by Easton. The Powerbolts are another 20 grains or so heavier.

DropTine · Post by **DropTine** » Thu Jul 26, 2007 10:16 pm

how much are they each?

GREYWOLF · Post by **GREYWOLF** » Thu Jul 26, 2007 10:20 pm

Wow that is news to me, I know there have been problems with weight and ordering, to bad I like there products. I have shot EASTON bolts before and they are well made and very consistant in weight , and 20 grains is not that much more weight

BigTiny · Post by **BigTiny** » Thu Jul 26, 2007 10:50 pm

Does that mean I should look for a Gold Tip clearance sale?

crazyfarmer · Post by **crazyfarmer** » Fri Jul 27, 2007 8:42 am

BigTiny wrote:Does that mean I should look for a Gold Tip clearance sale?

same here;)

so bascially ecxal will use the bolt like im shooting now LOL

Shakky · Post by **Shakky** » Fri Jul 27, 2007 10:08 am

So the standard set up increases to around 380gr then. Wouldn't be my first choice if I were shooting a Vixen considering the min. arrow weight is 325gr. but with a 125gr head it would be a good set up for my Maxpoint coming in at 405gr. Does seem strange that a company would make an arrow for Excalibur and have it come in at 20gr heavier. The min. arrow weight for Excalibur bows is 350gr and that is what their advertized speed is based on. A 30gr difference is going to cost you about 15fps. Maybe there are going to change to a 85 grain head. Time will tell I guess.

crazyfarmer · Post by **crazyfarmer** » Fri Jul 27, 2007 10:28 am

maybe they have faster bows coming out and want a heavy bolt to handle the speeds

I wish I had known sicne I coulda just bought the bolts instea dof making my own 380 grain ones

diesel · Post by **diesel** » Fri Jul 27, 2007 12:21 pm

I really like that Gold Tip Laser II bolt.

gad · Post by **gad** » Fri Jul 27, 2007 2:50 pm

diesel wrote:I really like that Gold Tip Laser II bolt.

Really tough arrow. NO problem it has been discontinued. I have
a lifetime suply of them + a lifetime suply of the beman thunderbolts.

rutman · Post by **rutman** » Tue Jul 31, 2007 10:57 am

I hope that the GT's are still gonna be available at archers nook. I am sold and sighted on them and hate changing a program that works.

Pydpiper · Post by **Pydpiper** » Tue Jul 31, 2007 12:25 pm

I agree, all the previous sales and advertising thrown away over a tiny change of weight, Excal has always said (for whatever reason) that the 100 grain Wasps fly best from the bow, to switch to an 85 would contradict that.
This is a very significant move on Excals part and would involve tremendous amounts of money and time to make that kind of transition, there is more behind it than the quest for a better arrow, it is a business after all.
One thing we can count on is that Excal will always look after us, the people buying and shooting their bows.

Shakky wrote:So the standard set up increases to around 380gr then. Wouldn't be my first choice if I were shooting a Vixen considering the min. arrow weight is 325gr. but with a 125gr head it would be a good set up for my Maxpoint coming in at 405gr. Does seem strange that a company would make an arrow for Excalibur and have it come in at 20gr heavier. The min. arrow weight for Excalibur bows is 350gr and that is what their advertized speed is based on. A 30gr difference is going to cost you about 15fps. Maybe there are going to change to a 85 grain head. Time will tell I guess.

Normous · Post by **Normous** » Tue Jul 31, 2007 12:49 pm

Shakky wrote:So the standard set up increases to around 380gr then. Wouldn't be my first choice if I were shooting a Vixen considering the min. arrow weight is 325gr. but with a 125gr head it would be a good set up for my Maxpoint coming in at 405gr. Does seem strange that a company would make an arrow for Excalibur and have it come in at 20gr heavier. The min. arrow weight for Excalibur bows is 350gr and that is what their advertized speed is based on. A 30gr difference is going to cost you about 15fps. Maybe there are going to change to a 85 grain head. Time will tell I guess.

My basic understanding is that you gain or loose 1 fps for every 5 grains added or subtracted. So a 20 gr bolt increase amounts to an 4fps loss and a 30 gr increase amounts to a 6 fps loss, not 15 fps they way I see it.

Norm

DropTine · Post by **DropTine** » Tue Jul 31, 2007 12:54 pm

[quote="rutman"]I hope that the GT's are still gonna be available at archers nook. I am sold and sighted on them and hate changing a program that works.[/quote]

I picked up my exomax at shooters choice yesterday and I talked to a guy there and he said he hasn't heard of this, shooters choice still have about 100 GT Laser 2's. By the way, ill post pics on what accuracy im getting at 50 yds with my exomax and GT carbons! Amazing!