3 D CANADIAN NAT.

[turkeylips]

hi guys.
sorry for the wrong info just want to correct. BRAD INGOLD did win but with a score of 748 not 948 that was my mistake.top10were 1 / MIDDLETON; 2 horton ; 3 horton ; 4 bowtech striker ; 5 &6 hunter 7 middleton not sure of 8&9 10 middleton. there were only 4 excal shooters there they were in the middle of the pack and lower.it was a very poor showing from excal for the amount of shooters out there excal them selfs was only there the first 1/2 day. the excal shooters themselfs were disappointed with there turn out and excal staff over all. the turn out was 260 shooters with 27 x-bow shooters competeing and 4 noncompeteing because they set up the course

[bait pile willie]

3-d shooters are becoming endangered,at my club we used to have 70+ shooters now a good turnout is 35,this is why we set up 20 targets instead of 40,and the crossbow turnout is PITIFUL.IF IT doesnt turn around shoots will disappear.Notice how in the last coupleof years there is hardly any mention of anyone attending a shoot,but lots of posts about how accurrate people are with their xbows.

[Makomachine]

VERY hard to believe there wasn't an Excal or 10pt in the top 10. Guess nobody showed up???

[DesertRat]

Wellll, if you consider the fact that the winner, Brad, had to borrow an Excalibur to finish the tournament, you could say that they had a hand in winning 1st place. LOL

The fact that Horton did a great job at the FCAs and a Middleton won, will soon be forgotten and people will buy Excalibur bows for the same reason they did before the FCAs, accuracy, depedability and service. Both the Bowtech and Middleton bows had equipment problems during the shoot.

I think the X-bow 3D community was expecting a little more of a showing from Excal but with the numbers in the sport being so low and getting lower every year, you can't really blame Excal for not devoting a whole crew and sponsoring everyone and their dog. Ask yourself honestly, do the scores at the FCAs make you want to run out and buy a Middleton, Horton or Bowtech X-bow?

[Makomachine]

Ask yourself honestly, do the scores at the FCAs make you want to run out and buy a Middleton, Horton or Bowtech X-bow?

No, it doesn't influence me in the slightest. Others might think differently though. What it DOES do however is make me wonder about the "Worlds Most Accurate Hunting Crossbow Guaranteed" claim. Keep in mind that I own a Phoenix so I'm not flaming here - just find it kind of odd that the 'worlds most accurate' mass produced xbow didn't make the top 10 in organized competition. If I'm wondering as a current 'satisfied' owner, what is someone thinking that hasn't had the privelage of buying that first xbow? Can't be good for sales when companies like Bowtech are joining the fray and are taking sales just based on there reputation the vertical bow market from people buying their first xbow.

[Bill T]

The story I got was that Brads Exo-clone went south on him with 11 targets to go and he had to borrow an Excalibur to finish the shoot. Certainly this speaks well for Brad and his shooting at the competition, and I congradulate him for a job well done, but I hardly see this as an endorsement of Middletons crossbows when it couldn't even finish the competition. I was, however, disappointed to hear that the majority of the shooters were on factory teams and only 4 Excalibur shooters were there in the competition. By the way, the IBO was held in West Virginia last weekend and Excalibur took first and second place there. Sadly, attendance was very poor there also.

[Woody Williams]

Guys,

Accuracy at 3D shoots is 90% shooter and 10% bow..... if that my much.

I don't go out and buy a bow by who won what or what TV celebrity hunter shoots or uses what product.

As seen here, Brad won the shoot, not the Middleton or the Excalibur.

[ComfyBear]

Are you sure that the winning score was 748? If so, the course must of been tougher than usual, as that's only an average of 8.31 per target.

If that's the case, it makes me wonder whether the 90 target course made it more taxing, and took its toll, or that the better shooters stayed at home.

[bait pile willie]

I agree with WOODY,the shooter wins not the bow,its the same in golf.I hope the course was set up on the difficult sde,I have set up courses for the last 6 yrs, and they should be a true test.I knw brad uses a custom leupold scope with higher mag.certainly a huge advantage over a varizone scope,but its an open shoot.

[DesertRat]

Comfybear, they were not scoring 12s in this tournament. That might have something to do with the scores.

You can't really question the "most accurate crossbows in the world " statement based on a shoot that had 25 X-bow shooters.

[ComfyBear]

Comfybear, they were not scoring 12s in this tournament. That might have something to do with the scores.

In that case, 748 is a decent score, considering that it was setup on the difficult side, and the weather was rather hot. Even so, making the assumption of scoring no less than 8s, a 748 would mean scoring only 14 10s. That's interesting.

[turkeylips]

ther were only 80 targets to shoot. 3loops 1 of 26 and 2 of 27 with no 12 ring only 10 8 5s. if all desertrat has time to slam what people shoot he should be taken off this forum we need people to shoot not equipment slammers

[DesertRat]

if all desertrat has time to slam what people shoot he should be taken off this forum we need people to shoot not equipment slammers

Ahhh give it a rest Terry!!! Show me where I slammed anyones equipment? I mentioned that the Middleton blew up and that the Bowtech had string problems. That is not bashing, that is fact.

I was however wrong ( I can admit that) earlier and an Excal did blow a limb. Anything you would like to add to that? Did it blow up under normal condition suchs as shooting or cocking or did it happen when there was ohhh say a dryfire? Please share all the facts with us.

You can whine to the admin about having me removed all you want but I never actually bashed another bow and certainly did not bash any of the shooters. I mentioned that they(bows) did indeed have problems finishing the course which, correct me if I am wrong is the truth. Come to think of it, BillT said the same thing. Maybe you should have him banned also! I mean come on, you are on an Excalibur website. I can have a preference of bows if I chose to and will not switch just because one brand came out on top of a group of 25 shooters in one tournament. Accuracy, dependability and service are what I look for in my equipment. Excal fits that mold the best in my eyes. You are entitled to be a cheerleader for whatever brand makes your clock tick.

Somehow you mistook what I said as bashing Middleton bows. Let me be very clear. If I was going to bash them, I would have said something like "they can't come up with their own ideas so they simply copy someone elses stuff and market it". Now if I had said that, I would have been bashing them. Glad I didn't say it though, I would hate to get banned from here for saying such terrible truths. errrr things!

[turkeylips]

ok lets put it this way excal dry fire middleton mag tip came off. your last statement was slamming.

[ComfyBear]

ther were only 80 targets to shoot. 3loops 1 of 26 and 2 of 27 with no 12 ring only 10 8 5s. if all desertrat has time to slam what people shoot he should be taken off this forum we need people to shoot not equipment slammers

Only 80 targets, that's an average of 9.35 per target, and a great score.

As far as slamming equipment, I think it's an non-issue, as is which bow happened to win. After all, the bow didn't win, BI did using two different bows.

Even if one was to try to compare equipment, let's remember that the number of crossbow shooters was small. and different brands where unequally represented. To further complicate matters, this was a fun shoot, with no speed or sight restrictions.

Besides, crossbows can't shoot by themselves. The skill of the shooter behind the equipment plays a far more important role. If that skill is then greatly enhanced by better optics, one shouldn't be surprised at the outcome.

The end result was that the winner had to resort to using two different crossbows to cross the finish line. Had this been a car race, the winner along with his equipment would have been classified as DNF.