Any Canadians use a Norinco shotgun?

Pydpiper · Post by **Pydpiper** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 4:19 pm

I detest clones, and that is exactly what this thing is, but the price is right and I really like the feel of the 14" barrel. It seems like an ideal camper gun.
Just curious if anyone has any hands on experience with one.

BUSHDOG · Post by **BUSHDOG** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 7:04 pm

pydpiper a friend has one 2 years old works fine the wood is crap but he dosnt worry if he bangs it up

10Ring · Post by **10Ring** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 9:48 pm

I would not purchase one myself because I have some fairly definite feelings about them.

There are Norinco 870 and M37 clones, to name a few.

I post quite a bit on a U.S. shotgun forum and here is my standard reply to questions on the NEF "Pardner" which is an 870 clone;

Personally, I have a major problem with them.

IMHO. it is on thing for a Chinese manufacturer to make a replica 1897 Winchester, designed in the 1890's, last made in 1957, at a facility that no longer exists.

It is another thing to copy as current U.S. design, which is still currently being manufactured, in the U.S.

Except for a few outside cosmetic diffences such as the back of the receiver, the parts in the link look like they were directly copied from the 870, to me.

http://www.hr1871.com/documents/manuals ... Manual.pdf

If they want to design their own gun, make it a good design, well made, out of good materials and sell it on its merrit, that's one thing.

It is a gun that they did not have to bear the design costs for, they don't have the same wage scale as Ilion NY, I doubt they have to meet the same labor, safety and envirionmental laws as they do in the U.S.; a few reasons why they can sell them that cheap.

I'm not even from the U.S and I wouldn't consider buying one for those reasons.

fuzzy · Post by **fuzzy** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 11:16 pm

Fox · Post by **Fox** » Tue Dec 11, 2007 12:14 am

We have minimum overall length requirements, and barrel length requirements if the gun is not manufactured with a shorter barrel. They are some weird laws, DLASK makes a 12" barrel that you can put on your 870 and still be non-restricted.

Pydpiper · Post by **Pydpiper** » Tue Dec 11, 2007 8:55 am

I understand the drama around the whole concept of the the reverse engineering thing, as well as why the US has banned the import of this companies products, I would have personal issues with myself if I decided to stand my ground on one item and not all "copies" from China, I have gotten myself past that part. I am a member of that shotgun forum too, but this particular topic seems to be a bit biased to say the least. I am totally open to the whole conversation, just not in this thread, please.

For the intents of this thread I was hoping for some hands on experience with the mechanical aspects of the firearm, not necessarily the labor laws or patents that did, or did not exist in their production.

Tigerpaw · Post by **Tigerpaw** » Tue Dec 11, 2007 8:01 pm

I have had the Norinco 870 clone with synthetic stock for three years now and can not sing its praises loud enough!! If Remington or any other gun manufacture for that reason wants to complain about them, then maybe they should make as good a gun at the same price!! This gun has gone through mud, snow, rain, and cold but has never jammed or misfired which I can not say for my Browning. The Norinco 870 clone is a work horse not a gun to put on display.