Interesting reading in St. Catharines Standard newspaper today. Story about deer bone with arrow tip found in deer bone.
I've posted the web link here - I'm not sure how to capture the story and photo another way. The print story shows the arrowtip - unfortunately that photo is not posted to the web.
http://www.stcatharinesstandard.ca/Arti ... dard+Staff
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Niagara deer - news story about arrowhead in scapula
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Just read the article and responded on the sites feedback area.
This is what I wrote. Maybe some other members can put in there two cents to help paint a better picture of hunters.
""In response to the article about the deer bone with the arrow head stuck in the bone.
This is unfortunate that the deer was shot where it was, I'm sure it was not intentional. As hunters we strive to take only high percentage shots that will result in a quick, humane kill. There are many variables that come into play when shooting with archery equipment that non-hunters are unaware. This errant shot could have been hunter error or a deflection, a gust of wind, the deer could have moved.
Tracking a deer with a non-lethal hit, is frustrating and, at times, beyond difficult.Deer travel through all sorts of habitat; swamp, forest, open field, flooded timber. A drop of blood every 25-50 yards on leaves that are themselves often red. It could have been raining. I've been on my hands and knees before while tracking deer. It's what hunters do. And it sucks when the deer is not found at the end of the trail. We feel bad that the deer has suffered as a result of our actions.
Was the deer bone found on the womans own property? Just curious, because it sounds as though her dogs were running around off leash, which is illegal in areas where deer live.
I wonder how many people she has told this story to, and convinced them that hunters are bad???""
This is what I wrote. Maybe some other members can put in there two cents to help paint a better picture of hunters.
""In response to the article about the deer bone with the arrow head stuck in the bone.
This is unfortunate that the deer was shot where it was, I'm sure it was not intentional. As hunters we strive to take only high percentage shots that will result in a quick, humane kill. There are many variables that come into play when shooting with archery equipment that non-hunters are unaware. This errant shot could have been hunter error or a deflection, a gust of wind, the deer could have moved.
Tracking a deer with a non-lethal hit, is frustrating and, at times, beyond difficult.Deer travel through all sorts of habitat; swamp, forest, open field, flooded timber. A drop of blood every 25-50 yards on leaves that are themselves often red. It could have been raining. I've been on my hands and knees before while tracking deer. It's what hunters do. And it sucks when the deer is not found at the end of the trail. We feel bad that the deer has suffered as a result of our actions.
Was the deer bone found on the womans own property? Just curious, because it sounds as though her dogs were running around off leash, which is illegal in areas where deer live.
I wonder how many people she has told this story to, and convinced them that hunters are bad???""
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Not a bad article. At least it was two sided, not the usual one sided crap that tries to make out hunters as barbarians.
I lost a deer this year and it does suck. I recovered my arrow and had a blood trail. The blood trail eventually ended and Chris and I spent 5 hours on our hands and knees looking for any sign.
As far as introducing predators, they are already here. Coyotes will track down and kill a wounded deer very quickly. I know first hand of this.
Once a blood trail is lost, only a dogs nose can follow, but in my area it is ILLEAGAL to track a deer with a dog.
I lost a deer this year and it does suck. I recovered my arrow and had a blood trail. The blood trail eventually ended and Chris and I spent 5 hours on our hands and knees looking for any sign.
As far as introducing predators, they are already here. Coyotes will track down and kill a wounded deer very quickly. I know first hand of this.
Once a blood trail is lost, only a dogs nose can follow, but in my area it is ILLEAGAL to track a deer with a dog.
I hunt for memories, the meat's a bonus!
You cannot hunt them with a deer, I think if you put the bow away, take the dog on a leash and go for a walk you would be ok. I know of a few incidents when using a dog to track would be ideal but the way they are in southern ontario going for a walk and finding a dead deer would be a lot easier to explain if you had no bow on you.
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A couple of weeks earlier, this same woman wrote a letter to the editor of my home town newspaper. In response, I had my own letter to the editor published:
Shorthills: Manage the deer, protect the ecosystem
There recently was published a letter in a local newspaper, in which the writer expressed objections to a possible deer cull in Shorthills Provincial Park. The writer then used that as a platform from which to attack deer hunting in general. However, the writer of that letter seems to have forgotten that we as humans are part of nature, we are not merely spectators. We are all descendants of successful hunters and we all remain part of the food chain. Let us also not forget that there are far more deer in Canada today then there were before the first European settlers arrived here.
The meat which we purchase at the supermarket did not magically appear on a plastic-wrapped Styrofoam tray. It came from a living animal that was killed to feed us. In other words, instead of hunting an animal ourselves, most of us must pay someone else to kill the animal for us. Chances are very good that the letter writer who so passionately opposed the possibility of a deer cull in Shorthills Provincial Park, eats meat herself or has family members who eat meat. So how is it that this person can imply some sort of moral superiority over those who hunt deer and eat venison?
Today many people live as if their actions have no bearing on the natural world - as if they are totally separate from it. They treat nature as if is a mere television program. Yet those same people that choose to pretend that humans are not part of the natural food chain are often the first to cry for swift government action when a coyote shows up in their backyard or when a deer collides with their Lexus. Modern hunters know better and intimately understand the vital role they play in the ecosystem. There is not a single wildlife species in Ontario that is threatened by modern hunting and it is a fact that no other segment of society dedicates more volunteer time to habitat improvement and contributes more money to conservation than hunters and anglers. The amazingly successful re-introduction of wild turkeys to Ontario is but one example of this.
When it comes to the deer in Shorthills Provincial Park, we must broaden our focus to consider the health of the entire ecosystem. An overpopulation of deer would result in the over-browsing (destruction) of the forest under-storey and the plants and animals which rely on it. In other words, an emotionally-driven urge to protect the already over-abundant deer in the Shorthills would be at the expense of other treasured or rare species (such as the White Trillium, Spotted Salamander, Red-backed Salamander, Native Ginseng, Broak-beech Fern), thereby wiping out vital connections in the ecosystem web and further degrading the ecosystem as a whole.
Let’s keep the deer in the Shorthills, but manage them in order to protect the health of the entire ecosystem. Any decisions about the management of the deer in Shorthills Provincial Park (including the possibility of a hunt or cull) must be based on real science and not on misguided arguments from those who forget that humans are forever participants in nature.
Derek Witlib
Bachelor of Environmental Studies (Hons.)
Fonthill
Shorthills: Manage the deer, protect the ecosystem
There recently was published a letter in a local newspaper, in which the writer expressed objections to a possible deer cull in Shorthills Provincial Park. The writer then used that as a platform from which to attack deer hunting in general. However, the writer of that letter seems to have forgotten that we as humans are part of nature, we are not merely spectators. We are all descendants of successful hunters and we all remain part of the food chain. Let us also not forget that there are far more deer in Canada today then there were before the first European settlers arrived here.
The meat which we purchase at the supermarket did not magically appear on a plastic-wrapped Styrofoam tray. It came from a living animal that was killed to feed us. In other words, instead of hunting an animal ourselves, most of us must pay someone else to kill the animal for us. Chances are very good that the letter writer who so passionately opposed the possibility of a deer cull in Shorthills Provincial Park, eats meat herself or has family members who eat meat. So how is it that this person can imply some sort of moral superiority over those who hunt deer and eat venison?
Today many people live as if their actions have no bearing on the natural world - as if they are totally separate from it. They treat nature as if is a mere television program. Yet those same people that choose to pretend that humans are not part of the natural food chain are often the first to cry for swift government action when a coyote shows up in their backyard or when a deer collides with their Lexus. Modern hunters know better and intimately understand the vital role they play in the ecosystem. There is not a single wildlife species in Ontario that is threatened by modern hunting and it is a fact that no other segment of society dedicates more volunteer time to habitat improvement and contributes more money to conservation than hunters and anglers. The amazingly successful re-introduction of wild turkeys to Ontario is but one example of this.
When it comes to the deer in Shorthills Provincial Park, we must broaden our focus to consider the health of the entire ecosystem. An overpopulation of deer would result in the over-browsing (destruction) of the forest under-storey and the plants and animals which rely on it. In other words, an emotionally-driven urge to protect the already over-abundant deer in the Shorthills would be at the expense of other treasured or rare species (such as the White Trillium, Spotted Salamander, Red-backed Salamander, Native Ginseng, Broak-beech Fern), thereby wiping out vital connections in the ecosystem web and further degrading the ecosystem as a whole.
Let’s keep the deer in the Shorthills, but manage them in order to protect the health of the entire ecosystem. Any decisions about the management of the deer in Shorthills Provincial Park (including the possibility of a hunt or cull) must be based on real science and not on misguided arguments from those who forget that humans are forever participants in nature.
Derek Witlib
Bachelor of Environmental Studies (Hons.)
Fonthill
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I cruise around the Short hills park every week at least twice. As well I hike the park hundreds of times and know all of it's secrets. There are lots of people who regularly cruise the park boundary to see the Deer and Turkeys in the fields and have a coffee on the side of the road watching. This lady will pull up to the people and ask them what they are doing and tell them there is no hunting in the area and then un-politely leave, and you have a feeling of "you shouldn't be there watching anything". 
She is the only one around the boundary that does this. I have met many. As well there are much more turkey and Deer than they are saying. A cull should be done soon. IMHO anyway.
John
She is the only one around the boundary that does this. I have met many. As well there are much more turkey and Deer than they are saying. A cull should be done soon. IMHO anyway.John
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I would tell her I'm hunting, just waiting for a good shot. Then tell her to leave me alone. I wouldn't tell her that I was hunting with a camera.John wrote:I cruise around the Short hills park every week at least twice. As well I hike the park hundreds of times and know all of it's secrets. There are lots of people who regularly cruise the park boundary to see the Deer and Turkeys in the fields and have a coffee on the side of the road watching. This lady will pull up to the people and ask them what they are doing and tell them there is no hunting in the area and then un-politely leave, and you have a feeling of "you shouldn't be there watching anything".
John
If anyone can remember what happened with the deer at Long Point a number of years ago as a result of being overpopulated, a cull is by far the best choice for the ecosystem.
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