Not giving up my Paradox,but would like to buy a rifle.

[Partikle]

A guy at my hunt camp bought a package deal from SIR for under $500.00 with a scope and synthetic stock 2 years ago and he loves his package! It is not a Remington because his old 308 is a Remington and he switched brands. I can check to see what he bought if you like? It a 7mm cannon but he said it was available in other calliburs.

[sumner4991]

Long shots with the .270 . . .I have shot everything from crow to deer at 300+ yards. I have a great deal of confidence in my .270, especially at long ranges. I have also made difficult shorter range shots. The trick is learning your gun. Since I have been using mine for 26+ years, I know where it's hitting. I only use the one gun and I've gotten good with it. It's easier with certain caliburs and loads . . .choose a calibur with a flat shooting trajectory. Mine is dead on at 280 yards and slightly high at 140. I just added a new scope that's much like the varizone, gives me 100, 200, 300, 400, and 500 yard marks. I have not shot it much . . .can't wait to test it on some varmits this summer.

One other thing I can say about the 7MM . . .it's just LOUD. I know when my cousin has shot, there's no mistaking that rifle. So, when he doesn't bring in a deer . . .we know he missed.

[the elf]

Hi---I have both calibers--270 -and 308.Both are in Remingtons-the 270 is in a pump-and the 2 --308`s are in a model seven bolt action.I first bought the 270 as a long range combination moose/deer rifle quite a while ago.Never did get moose hunting.where I deer hunt it is 90% under 140 yards or sometimes 1/2 that.I was at a gun show and handled the model 7 in 308 caliber,and fell in love with it`s light weight and quick handling and since I do a lot of bush walking I appreciate that.I have used 308 with 150 grain bullets for 99% of my deer hunting for a few years now---As I will be 66 this month weight will be an issue in later years. Lon.

[new paradox]

Thanks Partikle if you could check that would be great.I think I will be going with the 30-6,now to figure out what brand.I did see a write up on the Remingtons and they said the 700's are a good model,but does' that include the 710?

[Grizzly Adam]

I think I will be going with the 30-6,now to figure out what brand.

Great choice, New Paradox.

I have a Ruger M77 in .30-'06 that I've killed well over 75 deer with (quit counting years ago).

The '06 is a round with the weight of use behind it. It's the most commonly stocked centerfire round in North America, and is easy to find elsewhere too. It's light enough for deer-sized game, and capable of taking all North American big game from small deer to large black bear with ease because of it's incredible range of bullet weights. The '06 will even settle the hash of big bears, though many like to use something a little heavier in case of a wounding or a charge. It's the most versatile of commonly found calibers in it's normal loadings and with the advent of "managed recoil" ammo it became even more versatile. It's flat enough shooting to hang with the competition, powerful enough to hunt with the big boys, and relatively cheap compared to some other calibers.

The .30-'06 wasn't voted "Cartridge of the Century" without reason. It will do everything you need it to, and do it without too much expense, recoil or noise ... and finding ammo will never be a problem.

I'm glad you're not afflicted with "magnumitis" ... an incurable brain disease that often afflicts inexperienced sportsmen, and leads to uncontrollable flinching, shoulder bruising, hearing loss and financial stress.

Get an '06 and you're good to go for deer, moose, bear and even varmints with light loads (or you can just blast 'em in two with full-house rounds) ... it truly is an all-around working man's caliber.

There are lots of good rifles out there. Good luck in your search.

[Cossack]

Quote.I did see a write up on the Remingtons and they said the 700's are a good model,but does' that include the 710?
Remingtons are generally good solid guns. Lots of custom rifles made on their action. It's simple, reliable, easy to work on and relatively inexpensive. BUT, I'd shy off the 710. They had numerous problems the year they came out. Supposed to be taken care of now, but.......
If you're looking for a good inexpensive rifle have a look at the new Marlin bolt action. Looks well made, new crisp trigger, MSRP just over $300.
BTW, Marlin and Remington now owned by same group.
Can't go wrong with 30-06. One thing for sure, you'll find shells for them most anywhere and great selection.

[bbbwb]

The suggestions have been very much in line with what I am going to give. When I was planning to buy a rifle to cover a multitude of uses including moose hunting I was advised very very strongly to go with a calibre of 300 plus. Here in Southern Ontario, it is limited to a calibre no larger than 275. With budget for 1 firearm, I chose the 270. I have downed many moose with excellent succes --- NO LOSSES,. My buddy uses the 30-06 and has had good success as well. I have found no problem in obtaining 270 ammunition. It is very important to be familiar with the performance of your rifle/bullet combination. Next to this in the pursuit of the game, concentrate on shot placement. The good understanding and competent use of this information package in the hands of the hunter will certainly override the need for calibre size. As Grizzly Adam has commented on the fact that the "BIG' theory is not a necessity.
Good luck in your future hunting adventures.
bbbwb

[JRS]

If you are determined to get a package, go with the Savage rather than the Remington 710 or 770. The Savage gun itself is a better quality, and the Simmons scope is a little better than the bottom line Bushnells used on the 710. Personally, if it is really a matter of economics, I would go with a Stevens 200, and buy a middle of the road scope and mounts. For what you'd spend on a package, you could have a decent gun with the scope of your choosing.

[new paradox]

Thanks all,very informative.I will be out this week looking at that Savage I saw in the cataloge.I think I will also check out some of the other models as I have a scope I can use so maybe a package is not the way to go.

[sumner4991]

I have always had a real good scope on my .270 . . .I give a lot of credit to the scope for my hunting success. Most of the rifles available are accurate, you need to decide what you want in a calibur, safety, action, and style. . .all personal choices. However, there are definite differences in the scopes out there. I would spend as much time/energy/$$$$ on the scope as the rifle.

[rutman]

The 30-06 is a great choice for a big game cartridge. More reasonable to shoot that most and very re-loadable. Not at all hard on the shoulder either. Concentrate on rifles with adjustable triggers and if you like bolts, mauser action only. Accuracy is everything!

[Shakibods]

You won't go wrong with either the .270 of the .30-06, however, given the wide variety of bullet choices, I prefer the '06. I have owned both the Rugar M77 (sold it for money in college, what a mistake) and later a Winchester Model 70. The Model 70 is probably not as good as the Remington or Rugar, however, I have been able to consistantly shoot 1/2" groups at 100 yards with 168 gr. Winchester Ballastic Silvertips. Good luck with your choice.

The joy is not getting the gun, but having the freedom to shoot to your hearts content.

[Sopchoppy]

Unless you plan to hunt grizzly bear, you won't need a 7mm Mag. I had that disease Grizzly mentioned and bought a 7mm just because bigger is supposed to be better. Not so! I had to pick up my cap everytime I shot it. Loud and kicks like a mule. The 7mm is gone and a Remington 270 is in it's place. Super accurate and will take down most anything you'll ever hunt. Lots of good ammo out there. I prefer Nosler Custom. It's expensive and only available from Nosler in 270 Rem, but every round is consistent because they are hand loaded.

[Boo]

Although I don't have one but have shot one a moderate amount of times, the accutriggers are pretty good triggers. Out of all the guns I own my Rem 700, 300 WinMag has the best trigger and is the best shooter I have. It is death on anything I've pointed at. What I like about the 300 winmag is the delivery of a heavy payload with a 300 plus PBR. I like it so much I've only shot my Winchester in 300WSM around 15 times. Remington triggers are quite adjustable but the Accutriggers are pretty consistent from one gun to the other. My Remington trigger breaks like a glass rod with no creep or over-travel at 2.5 lbs. I like your choice of the 30-06 over the 7mm mag although the 7mm mag is no slouch in power or accuracy. Have you given thought to the 300 win mag? The 270 is a great caliber as well. I would not hesitate to take a moose at 300 yards with it or the 30-06 either. The 30-06 is certainly an old, reliable gun for everything. Apparently it has taken it's share of Grizzly bears too.

[new paradox]

I went out and bought the Savage today at SIR.The guy at the counter used to run a gun shop and he recommended it for what I was looking for.I got the 30-06 and picked up some Horsby shells at 165 grains.They are not as easy to fine at Walmart in that grain,but I am by the SIR enought so I should not run out when in the bush.The price was nice also,$407.99,came with the scope and the sling plus a trigger lock.I will have to try it out this weekend.