my brother was in a bow shop today looking for a phoenix or exocet. while we were there the guy tried to sell him a middleton dtm 375 said it was a way better bow faster and better manufactured. looked exactly like an excal to me right down to the last bolt. we were told that even though the warranty was only 3 years it was easy to get parts for because all excal parts and accessories would fit his bows even the limbs and strings. and it was ok that the parts would interchange because middleton used to work for excal does anybody know anything about this it sounds like bill and kath are getting a great big screwin to me. i have no intrest in ever owning one but i was kind of concerned that this guy is taking customers wanting excals and pushing these second rate pieces of junk on them and telling them that they are better then excal hands down. how many people are going to get ripped off by this type of thing and end up with an exact copy of the excals that are only half the quality and none of the customer service by a guy that also sells excals. i was kind of ashamed to see the excals ( specially the reylayer ) hanging beside his garbage. is any of the " facts" he told us true i highly doubt it but just wondering .
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Mike I can personally say this,I have now worked for Bill and Kath for 15 years and this person had NEVER worked there since I have been there.And the people who have worked there before me I also know personally .
mikej wrote:i don't think i would believe everything you hear anybody can dryfire a bow on purpose i would like to see a close up of the limbs and string
I am really courious to see one at working or hear something
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I have heard the same story that he used to work for bill .U most have been to simcoe or there is a guy in woodstock pushing tem as well .I have handeled them and the only nice thing about them is the weight i would not trade my vortex for any money .
These retailers are literally stuck with them. They cannot send them back or get any warranty on them. The worst part is that no one wants to buy them!
I have recently been contacted by people looking for Derrick Middleton trying to collect money. They say that they have tried to phone him and the number is not working. I have also heard through the grapevine that he has shut down. (This is all secondhand information which I haven't attempted to confirm, and should be treated as such) If this is true it doesn't bode well for anyone who purchased one of his bows as warranty will be non-existant. I suppose we can help out with limbs and such to keep his customers from taking a complete loss, but we certainly will be charging full price for any labor and parts required. If he is gone I would be very careful about buying one of his bows at this time because of this.
It's too bad that he didn't start out with his own design and try to carve out his own place in the crossbow world, he could have been more sucessful on his own path instead of trying to fight it out with Excalibur.
Due to a recent ad I placed here at the forum I was contacted by Mr. Middleton and have been placed on a retainer to write a speech titled "It seemed like a good idea at the time!"
Payment for said services are now in the hands of my literary agent, the honorable Mr. awshucks, and consists of twelve dozen brand new Excal, errrrr, Middleton crossbows still in the original packaging.
Keep an eye peeled in the trading post section later this month for "Mike & Aw's September Sucker Sale" for outrageous discounts on the above mentioned merchandise. And as if that were not enough, awshucks has graciously offered the first ten crossbow buyers a free hardcover and signed copy of Griz's latest best seller "My Secret Life with Margaret Thatcher" featuring the famous bedroom scene with the forward riser language. (Warning, this is the "Uncut" release and the content may not be suitable for some of the younger forum members.)
bstout wrote: That's just one of Grizz's part time gigs. When he's not busy writing books he goes down to Georgia and runs around looking like Sasquatch scaring the crap out of people. If he'd put some clothes on it would make a big difference.
This just in, from the latest Scuppernong Reminder:
UPI Network
Columbia, NC
A local potato farmer from the North Carolina coastal plain's Tyrrell
County spotted this hairy creature exiting a pickup in a remote area
several weeks ago, and snapped a quick picture with a digital camera he
keeps in his tractor. "I like to take snapshots of the wildlife around
here," he said in an interview, "but I never expected to capture
anything like this. It's just strange. I almost got the tractor in the
canal when I saw it. It really spooked me. I'm not going out there
again. I'll send the help to do it."
A primatologist from the North Carolina Zoo in Asheboro stated upon
examining the photograph that this may well be a genuine picture of the
region's fabled "Skunk Ape" or "Swamp Gorilla," a mythical creature
thought to be an eastern version of Sasquatch, the "Bigfoot" of western
fame. "It's definitely a hominid of gigantic proportions," said John
Woodhall, director of the Primate House at NC Zoo. " It has the same
massive bulk, overhanging brow and cone-shaped head we've come to
expect when examining photographs of unknown bipeds."
Experts conjecture that the creature may have emerged from the adjacent
Hollow Ground Swamp, a primeval wilderness area that is part of the
expansive Pocosin Lakes National WIldlife Refuge system. The swamp
adjoins the creature's lair, and it is thought that perhaps this
strange hominid was able to leave it's wild life behind and learn to
fraternize with the people of "Down East" Carolina. "There's not a lot
of population pressure to deal with in the area," said Rufus Cahoon,
another local farmer. "I think the thing just keeps mostly to itself,
and is able to blend in because it wears clothes now, and mimics human
activities and all. Besides, it has a human wife. I saw her once. I
don't know whether it stole her away from her people or she stays with
it voluntarily, but I know she lives with it. I saw them together
through my rifle scope last year when I was bear hunting out there."
In an interview with BreAnne Klossey of Primates Today, John Woodhall
said, "I think it's obvious that the creature is evolving in front of
our eyes. We've been watching it from a distance, and it's not like
other non-human primates. It's not just a tool-user, it's a tool-maker.
I've seen it confront problem situations and adapt the materials at
hand to use in solving the problem ... it obviously thinks, though I
don't think it is human, by any stretch of the description. We may very
well have the long sought-after "MIssing Link" here. If only Richard
Leakey could see this thing!"
Some locals are not so sure. "Shucks, it ain't no Bigfoot," said Alton
Ainsley of the Cross Landing community, in another part of the county.
"He's human--he just ain't from around here. He's misunderstood. People
are afraid of him. I think he's just a loner who likes it out there at
the old Jess Cooper farm. John Brown it, he's not so different from us.
These news people just want to make a buck off of this."
Perhaps. But you have to wonder ... especially when the sun drops
behind the cypress and gum trees and the swamp comes alive again. Are
all of it's creatures present ... or has one come among us? Indeed,
the picture is worth a thousand words.
how many people are going to get ripped off by this type of thing and end up with an exact copy of the excals that are only half the quality and none of the customer service by a guy that also sells excals. i was kind of ashamed to see the excals ( specially the reylayer ) hanging beside his garbage. is any of the " facts" he told us true i highly doubt it but just wondering .
