Talisman Crossbows
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Talisman Crossbows
Does anyone know anything about this crossbow? I've been contacted by the owner to do you know what and would like some opinions and any background information(first hand only) about these awesome looking bows.
http://www.talismancrossbows.com/
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Some people just like stepping on rakes
That's what the debate is.
He posted asking about speeds - it was pointed out that anything over 500 fps was considered a "firearm" in Canada.
I don't know exactly what the Ontario laws say regarding the definition of a crossbow - if it needs to have the energy come from flexing limbs or not. I guess someone should look and see if there's a legal definition of "crossbow". Nothing in the regulations summary, that's for sure.
Every common definition I've read for "crossbow" refers to a bow placed horizontally (tansversely) across a stock, and every definition of a "bow" uses the term "flexible" regarding the limbs. The energy of the weapon is stored in the flexible limbs.
I'm of the opinion that this Talisman Mantis is NOT a crossbow, but a form of catapult. I know the inventor disagrees.
Check out the discussion in the Crossbow forum on ArcheryTalk. (Type "Talisman" into the search function - there are several threads.)
He posted asking about speeds - it was pointed out that anything over 500 fps was considered a "firearm" in Canada.
I don't know exactly what the Ontario laws say regarding the definition of a crossbow - if it needs to have the energy come from flexing limbs or not. I guess someone should look and see if there's a legal definition of "crossbow". Nothing in the regulations summary, that's for sure.
Every common definition I've read for "crossbow" refers to a bow placed horizontally (tansversely) across a stock, and every definition of a "bow" uses the term "flexible" regarding the limbs. The energy of the weapon is stored in the flexible limbs.
I'm of the opinion that this Talisman Mantis is NOT a crossbow, but a form of catapult. I know the inventor disagrees.
Check out the discussion in the Crossbow forum on ArcheryTalk. (Type "Talisman" into the search function - there are several threads.)
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yep......as said, there are a large number of posts on archerytalk.com re these bows.
The max 500 fps debate (for Canada) is not quite a fact as there is nothing to support this other than the airgun restriction.
There may be other obstacles to overcome for this bow to be legal (for hunting) depending on the jurisdiction............i.e., the energy from these bows is stored in springs (not the limbs)...the limbs do not flex. It all comes down to how crossbow equipment is defined in your hunting regs.
The max 500 fps debate (for Canada) is not quite a fact as there is nothing to support this other than the airgun restriction.
There may be other obstacles to overcome for this bow to be legal (for hunting) depending on the jurisdiction............i.e., the energy from these bows is stored in springs (not the limbs)...the limbs do not flex. It all comes down to how crossbow equipment is defined in your hunting regs.
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Click "User Control Panel", "Profile", Location: (you don't have to tell everyone you're "in a van down by the river") but for Pete's sake, what state/prov or country are you in?
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Click "User Control Panel", "Profile", Location: (you don't have to tell everyone you're "in a van down by the river") but for Pete's sake, what state/prov or country are you in?
The inventor is in England where there is no bow hunting of any type. He apparently also makes some conventional xbows. He refused to post arrow weights or chrony speeds at the last I knew, but rather compared the arrow flight to his pellet guns speed, lol.
He has since rigged the thing to shoot bullets, in effect making an actual "crossgun", a term the anti inclusion types are very fond of.
I believe he's using spring pistons like air rifles to move the pivoting limbs, much like turning two break barrel air rifles on their sides, tying a string to near the muzzles, and then pulling the trigger while they are in the "broke open" position.
He's not doing the xbow movement any good, the anti inclusion types are already referring to his site like you can soon get these at Wal-Mart.
He could not care less.
He has since rigged the thing to shoot bullets, in effect making an actual "crossgun", a term the anti inclusion types are very fond of.
I believe he's using spring pistons like air rifles to move the pivoting limbs, much like turning two break barrel air rifles on their sides, tying a string to near the muzzles, and then pulling the trigger while they are in the "broke open" position.
He's not doing the xbow movement any good, the anti inclusion types are already referring to his site like you can soon get these at Wal-Mart.
He could not care less.
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It's an interesting weapon. Most hunting regs just state "crossbow" without giving a definition. However, if you look up the definition in any dictionary, then it's not piston driven.
Looking at the website, doesn't look like they are all "piston driven", are they?
Cool looking, custom made weapons. $2000 and up. Boy, I wish I had $2000 to spend on a freaky, wicked looking weapon.
Out of my price range . . .when will the Chinese start making these?
Looking at the website, doesn't look like they are all "piston driven", are they?
Cool looking, custom made weapons. $2000 and up. Boy, I wish I had $2000 to spend on a freaky, wicked looking weapon.
Out of my price range . . .when will the Chinese start making these?
I'd rather wear out than rust out.
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A lot of us are waiting for a video of it shooting. So far nothing but excuses. They don't have access to a video camera. They're making the claimed top of the food chain xbow that sells for thousands of dollars and don't have a $100 camcorder or PC to make a 3 min Youtube video?
They had some still pics on AT and the fletch wasn't correct for the rail or far enough from the end for the butt of the arrow to rest in the receiver correctly. Also they had several different arrows in the pics. I asked on that and they had some lame excuse. I get the impression it's some poor mans operation trying to make the big time. That's fine everyone has to start somewhere. Just don't BS me.
Then there is the attitude of those representing it. It got so bad on another xbow forum they said no more Mantis posts - period. Nuff said on that.
I don't think we'll be seeing one in WalMart or any mart anytime soon.
They had some still pics on AT and the fletch wasn't correct for the rail or far enough from the end for the butt of the arrow to rest in the receiver correctly. Also they had several different arrows in the pics. I asked on that and they had some lame excuse. I get the impression it's some poor mans operation trying to make the big time. That's fine everyone has to start somewhere. Just don't BS me.
Then there is the attitude of those representing it. It got so bad on another xbow forum they said no more Mantis posts - period. Nuff said on that.
I don't think we'll be seeing one in WalMart or any mart anytime soon.
Should be considered the evolution of xbow?
Shall we take back the first place to the fire arms after 6 century?
Shall we take back the first place to the fire arms after 6 century?
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What century is this. I feel like I just woke up in old England near the Shire. ( sorry that';s the Hobbit) Wow what a peice of machinery. Does it come with a motor for recoking? Not sure I could shoot that one all day.
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