Ml'er guys(new white hot pellets)

[crazyfarmer]

has anyone seen these new pellets.. everyone raving over them now.. it seems to be the best thing out since BH209 which I stopped using. I loved the groups, but one misfire killed that powder for me.

I may try some of these pellets but they arent cheap... cleaning is supposed to be much easier than T7 also and from the reviews Ive seen its twice as easy to clean up!

velocity is through the roof on these with 2 pellets.. 1710 fps vs 1539 from the T7 and 2 pellets.. 3 pellets of T7 gives 1858 speeds

ill more than likely test some.. if not, im going to the T7 powder and 110 grains of that

[TPM]

I'm just moving up from patched round ball to lead conicals for my muzzleloader this deer season. Goodbye 1820's technology, hello 1860's technology! . Boy, I've got a long way to go to this new fangled pellet stuff...

[Cossack]

Hear tell the BH 209 requires a larger flash hole to burn consistently. My favorite load is a 250 Barnes, black sabot, over 110 of loose T7. Using a mixture of Ballistol and water (50/50) between shot and for cleaning. Works for me. Not going to fall for another new powder, still have some of Jims' fancy stix that didn't shoot nearly as well.

[saxman]

I rarely shoot any pelletts.
I'm a loose powder guy.
Right nopw I'm using the BH 209 with excellent results.

90grn BH 209/ 200 grn S/W/ W-209 primer.
For my small whitetail this makes an excellent load.
I have used some of the Powerbelts with good success also.

[crazyfarmer]

Hear tell the BH 209 requires a larger flash hole to burn consistently. My favorite load is a 250 Barnes, black sabot, over 110 of loose T7. Using a mixture of Ballistol and water (50/50) between shot and for cleaning. Works for me. Not going to fall for another new powder, still have some of Jims' fancy stix that didn't shoot nearly as well.

mine worked great when sighting the Ml'er in.. My groupign sheet is above the rack at the store which helps them sell it. But it didnt like setting for 3 days in the ML'er. Im not sure if it has a short life when setting out or not. I havent shot a better grouping powder. I still have 1 case of the stuff I havent opened that will just sit here.

I bought a pack of the white hots to try.. ill post my results within the next few weeks.. 24.50 for 72 of the pellets

[sipsey]

Been shooting 777 for several years now without a hitch--they shoot extremely accurate in my Black Diamond and clean easy---dont really have a reason to switch---unless they are cheaper

[Cossack]

Hear tell the BH 209 requires a larger flash hole to burn consistently. My favorite load is a 250 Barnes, black sabot, over 110 of loose T7. Using a mixture of Ballistol and water (50/50) between shot and for cleaning. Works for me. Not going to fall for another new powder, still have some of Jims' fancy stix that didn't shoot nearly as well.

mine worked great when sighting the Ml'er in.. My groupign sheet is above the rack at the store which helps them sell it. But it didnt like setting for 3 days in the ML'er. Im not sure if it has a short life when setting out or not. I havent shot a better grouping powder. I still have 1 case of the stuff I havent opened that will just sit here.

I bought a pack of the white hots to try.. ill post my results within the next few weeks.. 24.50 for 72 of the pellets

T7, like most BP substitutes is hygroscopic (absorbs water). I do not leave loads in more than overnight, even then it's chancy if humidity is high or condensation will result. My neighbor found that out the hard way. Took a shot at the big doe he'd been after, the bullet landed at her feet and the pellets spiraled out of the barrel, smoking. He hadn't bothered to unload the gun just stored it in the garage between hunts.

[Limbs and Sticks]

Never heard of it til now, I've shot 6or7lbs of BH209 nothing beats it but smokeless, shoot it 20times run a spit patch thru it keep getting up, it does need a hot primer CCI209M should take care of that prob, If I see Bridges or Wakeman beat the doors down about this new powder then I'll give it a try, NOT UNTIL

Wes

[animal]

Hear tell the BH 209 requires a larger flash hole to burn consistently. My favorite load is a 250 Barnes, black sabot, over 110 of loose T7. Using a mixture of Ballistol and water (50/50) between shot and for cleaning. Works for me. Not going to fall for another new powder, still have some of Jims' fancy stix that didn't shoot nearly as well.

mine worked great when sighting the Ml'er in.. My groupign sheet is above the rack at the store which helps them sell it. But it didnt like setting for 3 days in the ML'er. Im not sure if it has a short life when setting out or not. I havent shot a better grouping powder. I still have 1 case of the stuff I havent opened that will just sit here.



Crazzy I left the bh209 in the gun for a 5 day stretch and I took the buck in my avatar picture . It did go bang for me . Do you use the regulare shotgun primers or ML 209 primers. Just curious

The problem I did have was I hunted for the next week without cleaning , yes it's non corrosive and the powder does not absorb moisture but it was damp out and I did get some light rusting in the muzzle . but it did clean up well thank god. You still need to protect your barrel , like mom allways siad use a condom Lesson learned

http://www.gunsandhunting.com/blackhorn.html

[Shotnbeer]

In PA its flintlock only. I drilled my flash hole out alittle , put a touch of primer powder in first then loader up. never had a miss fire. Guys that I know who use pellets put alittle bit of primer powder in first

[crazyfarmer]

Hear tell the BH 209 requires a larger flash hole to burn consistently. My favorite load is a 250 Barnes, black sabot, over 110 of loose T7. Using a mixture of Ballistol and water (50/50) between shot and for cleaning. Works for me. Not going to fall for another new powder, still have some of Jims' fancy stix that didn't shoot nearly as well.

mine worked great when sighting the Ml'er in.. My groupign sheet is above the rack at the store which helps them sell it. But it didnt like setting for 3 days in the ML'er. Im not sure if it has a short life when setting out or not. I havent shot a better grouping powder. I still have 1 case of the stuff I havent opened that will just sit here.



Crazzy I left the bh209 in the gun for a 5 day stretch and I took the buck in my avatar picture . It did go bang for me . Do you use the regulare shotgun primers or ML 209 primers. Just curious

The problem I did have was I hunted for the next week without cleaning , yes it's non corrosive and the powder does not absorb moisture but it was damp out and I did get some light rusting in the muzzle . but it did clean up well thank god. You still need to protect your barrel , like mom allways siad use a condom Lesson learned

http://www.gunsandhunting.com/blackhorn.html

i used the W209 primers.. i did testing with 3 different primers.. the hotter the better for BH209. I even called BH to ask which they reccomended over the other primers. As said, I think humidty might have played a roll. I know 2 days during the hunt it was HOT and Humid. I normally unload mine every 4 days if I havent seen the buck I want. Never had a issue in the past with T7 doing this. But the BH209 didnt like it at all. Maybe it was a fluke for me

[Limbs and Sticks]

CF I don't know where these numbers came from that you post, they sure seem slow to me, just wondering?

velocity is through the roof on these with 2 pellets.. 1710 fps vs 1539 from the T7 and 2 pellets.. 3 pellets of T7 gives 1858 speeds

Velocity & Energy

During the heat of summer IS NOT the time to do shooting across a chronograph to establish bullet speeds. Even a slightly heated barrel means a looser grip of the bore/rifling on a saboted bullet. This in turn affects optimum (most efficient) burn of any powder. I've found it very common to see hot-weather bullet speeds drop as much as 100 f.p.s. from what a rifle and load produces when temperatures are in the 40 to 50 degree range. Fortunately, before the summer heat, I had an opportunity to run a variety of loads (with the same sabot/bullet combinations) across my Shooting Chrony back in early spring, when temperatures were more conducive to consistent velocities. And these are the recorded velocities we will compare here.

Shot: April 6 thru 11, 2009
Temperature Range: 38- to 52-degrees (F)
Humidity Range: 22% to 36%


Charges, Powders - With 260-grain Harvester Muzzleloading "Scorpion PT Gold" & Crush Rib Sabot

100-gr. (26-inch MDM Barrel - 24 1/2-inch bore)

Blackhorn 209: 1,963 fps./2,223 fpe - Black Mag 3*: 1,947 fps/2,189 fpe - FFFg Triple Seven: 1,943 fps/2,176 fpe

110-gr. (27-inch Knight/Green Mountain Barrel - 26 1/4-inch bore)

Blackhorn 209: 2,036 fps/2,392 fpe - Black Mag 3*: 2,021 fps/2,356 fpe - FFFg Triple Seven: 2,016 fps/2,345 fpe


Charges, Powders - With 290-grain Barnes Spit-Fire "TMZ" & Barnes/MMP Boat-Tail Bullet Sabot

110-gr. (27-inch Knight/Green Mountain Barrel - 26 1/4-inch bore)

Blackhorn 209: 1,969 fps/2,494 fpe - Black Mag 3*: 1,952 fps/2,451 fpe - FFFg Triple Seven: 1,929 fps/2,398 fpe

[crazyfarmer]

Wes, it was on some website.. im not sure what setup they tested

i'd be interested to see if the white hot gives 200fps more over these listed...

even if its the same, that would be very good also

[Limbs and Sticks]

There already 250fps slower now they will never be 200fps faster than what's listed, better save your money

Wes

[crazyfarmer]

There already 250fps slower now they will never be 200fps faster than what's listed, better save your money

Wes

Wes, you might have misrad my post.. im not sure how they tested or what they tested out of but here were the speeds

1710 fps - white hot 2 pellets
1539 - T7 with 2 pellets..
1858 - T7 with 3 pellets

the white hots were 200fps faster than the T7 when compared to 2 pellets each:)

100grains of white hot pellets is roughly equal to 120 grains of T7 Again, im not sure when they chronoed or how.. but if the above is correct then tested with your results the white hots should hit 2100fps