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Only Beef with Excalibur- Flemish String Availability

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Picked up a Equinox to replace a broken down Barnett I had, while i am extremely happy with the quality of the Excalibur product in comparison I do have one beef...

The FPS ratings affixed to the product on the sales room floor are all measured with Flemish (higher performing) string than what is included on the crossbow!

Not until you either check the website or the actual product manual (neither are accessible to the buyer when its hanging in the store) do you see that you need to replace your string with a higher quality one to get the advertised results. While I think this is misleading to the customer, with the rest of the product being so well put together quality-wise i could overlook this IF... Flemish strings were available anywhere in the city.

Spent all day driving around Edmonton, Alberta today trying to find a flemish string for my Equinox, Cabela's sold out (only 3 strings at Manitoba location out of all the Canadian stores combined!), Wholesale sports was also sold out at both locations, while the sales person did offer to make me one when i asked he said the wait time would be over a month and half at a cost of $70 each after he bought the matirial... :shock:
To me this is simply unacceptable.
Got a quiver full of 22'' bolts and the default string is none too impressive with them (3 inch drop at 20FT vs 20'' bolt, 420gr.vs 467gr.) want to get up to the advertised FPS so that i can sight them in properly.

1) Why are cheap strings put on this otherwise quality product to begin with.. come on what is the difference in price $10??
2) Is there a back order from Excalibur for these strings? Are there any retailers in Alberta the DO have them in stock, how they can not stock up for season demand i have no idea.
3)Since ease of string replacement and self dependability (no store needed to change strings vs Press in Cams) is one of the key selling points of Excalibur recurves, isn't it contradictory that the self dependability is eliminated by the user having to return to the store again and again due to limited numbers (or no strings at all) being available for purchase??
If availability is such a headache I can see why people resort to making their own....

Every single salesperson told me they had multiple customers coming already this week turned away that were looking for these strings, you are losing money here by not stocking your vendors. Come on Excalibur I am sure there is room for improvement here. maybe make a "Remote Wilderness" package with 3 strings, multi tool and string changer. IE. something like that.

Would like to get at least 3 Flemish strings ASAP (1 for immediate use and 2 due to foreseen lack of availability getting the next ones!), but everything is either back ordered here or will take a month and half to get them made. If anyone in Alberta knows where I can get them immediately, please post the info.
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The strings supplied with the bow are there to better protect the limbs in a dryfire.

Availability of the string you want is a dealer issue. Be sure to tell them they lost a sale because they don't carry enough stock during hunting season!!
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There are multiple sites online that sell them. Only takes a minute to order and a couple or so days to deliver to your door.
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1) Why are cheap strings put on this otherwise quality product to begin with.. come on what is the difference in price $10??
The dacron strings are much more forgiving in case of a dry-fire, and the odds of a dry-fire are a bit higher for a beginner. I would advise sticking with the dacron string for a year or so to allow plenty of time to develop a "routine" of shooting procedure to avoid the chances of a dry-fire before switching to fastflight type strings. :wink:
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When i switched from the stock string that was on my axiom when i bought it to the excal fff it went from 286fps to 298fps...don't think 12fps is a deal breaker.
I would order what you want on line & hunt with what you have until they arrive.
Your bow will kill anything in north america as it is now.
I killed six deer & two hogs with the stock string on my ibex.
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wabi wrote:The dacron strings are much more forgiving in case of a dry-fire, and the odds of a dry-fire are a bit higher for a beginner. I would advise sticking with the dacron string for a year or so to allow plenty of time to develop a "routine" of shooting procedure to avoid the chances of a dry-fire before switching to fastflight type strings. :wink:
I'm not new to crossbow hunting and archery, just this crossbow, hence the pile of 22'' bolts :D
That's why i wanted to get the Flemish on there so i can sight it in right off the hop without messing around with the Dacron just to redo it all again with the proper Flemish installed, unfortunately it came with the Dacron and there seems to be no local option for the Flemish.

I know its more of a distributors problem than Excalibur's, simply hoping to draw Excalibur's attention to the lost profits from sales in this area, that they might either want to consider adding more distributors or additional packages just with strings. FYI even the replacement Dacron were sold out at every location.
Cabelas and Wholesale sports are the only location I know of up here that even carries them to begin with, and that's even after using google to search.
robertyb wrote:There are multiple sites online that sell them. Only takes a minute to order and a couple or so days to deliver to your door.
Ya, looked at some online order sites, unfortunately many of the reputable ones are backlogged and many take PayPal only like Boo's...
one shot scott wrote:Be sure to tell them they lost a sale because they don't carry enough stock during hunting season!!
Don't worry they got a rant longer than this thread...his reply was that what I see on the shelves for stock has been there since last winter and that more stock wont come in until after this Boxing day. Still doesn't help put a Flemish string on my crossbow though :|
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Foonus wrote:

Got a quiver full of 22'' bolts and the default string is none too impressive with them (3 inch drop at 20FT vs 20'' bolt, 420gr.vs 467gr.) want to get up to the advertised FPS so that i can sight them in properly.

To get to the advertised speed you will also need
a total arrow weight of 350gr.

In my area,at this time of year you get whats left in our hunting stores. everyone has already got there stuff before season start
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roly wrote: To get to the advertised speed you will also need
a total arrow weight of 350gr....
Yep, good observation.. Strange though that the bolts that are included are Easton / Excalibur FireBolts. The weight of them is 271gr. + 150gr. field tip. That's a combined weight of 421gr, which is also miles away from what you need to achieve the advertised 350FPS.

That's both the included string AND included bolts not matching up to the advertised specs on the crossbow stocks as they hang on display.. :evil:

Would love to have a chrono to be able to report to y'all what the FPS is with the provided bolts and Dacron string, IMO this is the number that should be stamped on the butt stock.
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Welcome!

Have to say though that it sounds like you need to spend more time in the woods and less with the chrono. :lol:
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VixChix wrote:Welcome!

Have to say though that it sounds like you need to spend more time in the woods and less with the chrono. :lol:
"Would love to have a chrono to be able to report to y'all what the FPS is with the provided bolts and Dacron string, IMO this is the number that should be stamped on the butt stock."

Thanks!
Think you missed that quoted part (still need to buy chrono. lol), but other than that, I'm following the 7P's "Proper Previous Planning Prevents Piss Poor Performance."
More important P's :lol:
"Practice doesn't make perfect, perfect practice makes perfect" :D

Rather be in the woods too... but stuck in the City with a 2 hour drive out to the hunting area, i want to do as much figuring as i can here in town before i head out there so i can spend the time in the woods then instead of messing with my string/arrow selection.
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Your on the right track with excalibur,when i bought mine my nephew bought a barnett and his has been broken down sold for parts long ago and that was in 09.
Mine looks like it just came out the box and thats a few strings ago.I must add he treated his like a baby.Good luck and may you enjoy many years with your Excalibur
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As it was explained to me when I purchased my first Excalibur, “Shoot the standard string until you are assured that you will always load the arrow without forgetting and accidently dry fire”.

The standard sting is much more forgiving with a dry fire than the FF string.

Also, the standard string is no slouch when it comes to hunting. I shot a standard string for my first two years and nailed every deer that I unloaded on.
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onebigskittle wrote:Your on the right track with excalibur,when i bought mine my nephew bought a barnett and his has been broken down sold for parts long ago and that was in 09.
Mine looks like it just came out the box and that's a few strings ago.I must add he treated his like a baby.Good luck and may you enjoy many years with your Excalibur
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Thanks, quite impressed with the quality and difference in build between the two. I work with my hands as a finishing carpenter and the build quality and weight distribution was noticeable as soon as I took it out of the box, also it actually felt "solid" for a lack of better terms. Had a Barnett Ghost 400 with a lose top picatinny that would also chew through arrow nooks, after about 40 shots i started to notice the strings were wearing through around the cams..which i then found out had to be unpressed to replace the string. The scope finally "gave up the ghost" (400 lmao srry) after it rattled around on that mount too much.
Really the only thing i liked about the deal i got with that Barnett was that it came from Cabela's and they were good enough to replace it for me with an Equinox, and i STILL came out $250 on top with a better product.
The real kicker was when i got home and found out that it was the shadow zone package they gave me by mistake instead of the one we agreed on with no scope... wasn't complaining. :shock:
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sight it in as is and go hunting My Phoenix thru 420 gr 22" arrows at 291 FPS you will be well over 300 + more than enough speed to do anything out to 40 yds.

I do not think you will be able to acheive top speed with your arrows and I would not shoot anything less than 400 gr out of a 225 bow

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you will find that the Equinox is hard on servings
also, you may want to do your own servings or get extra strings

Did the Barnett really do 400fps out of the box? :shock:
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