inaccurate vortex!

[peter p]

How far away is that front scope ring from the elevation turret?

Looks like it's pretty close or touching?
Rings should be about 1/8" away from the turret.

Don't think this is the issue with your accuracy but just a guideline when setting up a scope.

[thestuz]

Check your tiller...... and and measure each side along string from rail to limb tip , are they the same ? With bow drawn back measure from front screw holding scope mount to limb tip , are they the same ? MAKE SURE SAFTY IS ON......
Mark your serving with white marker on either side of rail to make sure your pulling the string back straight......
It's hard to see in the picture but is one of your dissapator pads squished more than the other ? ........ Ron

Ron, the measurements are all the same or within 1mm.
marked string and when cocked, the measurements are even also.
everything seems tight and in good order. but s tilii cant hold a 2inch group at 23 yards... im getting 3 inch and sometimes out to 4 inch....

i will try a different string and other arrows to see if maybe there is a quality issue with either of them.

[Boo]

You have to test with one arrow before you can decide which direct to go. If you get good groups then you know you have to deal with the arrow. If you get erratic groups then look toward the bow. No point in screwing around with the bow when you have an arrow problem.
Are you using a rest?
Are you using a rope cocker?

[CBRon]

Do what BOO said
Pick your best arrow
Spin check the arrow- Point on a surface and spin , check for wobble...
How much weight do you have up front- point and insert ?
Do the vanes have any offset ? or are they straight ?..... Ron

[Normous]

I shot Gold Tips for years and the groupings frustrated me to no end similar to your groups. I suggest shooting your arrows one at a time and separate the grougs to your liking and shoot those. Leave your arrow group #2 for later and make a scope adjustment for arrow group #2 at that point.

[thestuz]

Do what BOO said
Pick your best arrow
Spin check the arrow- Point on a surface and spin , check for wobble...
How much weight do you have up front- point and insert ?
Do the vanes have any offset ? or are they straight ?..... Ron

yes i have been testing individual arrows and i still get the same eratic results.... one thing ive noticed is they seem to either go"up left" or "down right" as a general grouping with the occasional one breaking that mould and spraying random.
did the spin test and the arrows spin smoothly as they slowly fall over... seem well balanced to me.... the bolts are set up similar to excaliburs "firebolt" bolt.
4 inch veins at 4 degrees i think? they weigh in at about 385 grains and the balancing point on the arrow is one third of the way down from the pointed end. they have 20 grain weighted inserts in the front of the arrow to get them to a safe weight.

i am using a rope cocking and and the crossbow is rested. i am shooting it like i shoot a hunting rifle... using a slow trigger pull whilst holding my breath to make sure there is no movement. ill try some more practice and see if i can notice any changes.

mean while, should i be worried about the sulphur smell after each shot? is this anything i should worry about? the sulphur smell went away once i filed down the knock (where it rubs) below flush on a test arrow.

[Boo]

As long as you are using aluminum nocks you'll smell that with every shot. No biggie.
I think you either have the black plastic shims under the limbs protruding into the broadhead pocket allowing the fletchings to hit on their way out or your scope has gone south. (assuming all the simple stuff is right like everything is tight, your serving is good, you can shoot etc)

[robertyb]

As long as you are using aluminum nocks you'll smell that with every shot. No biggie.
I think you either have the black plastic shims under the limbs protruding into the broadhead pocket allowing the fletchings to hit on their way out or your scope has gone south. (assuming all the simple stuff is right like everything is tight, your serving is good, you can shoot etc)

I think he has a scope problem. All my arrows including my one bad flyer shoot same POI. The flyer justs shoots a lot different POI than the others.

[CBRon]

Loosen the big screw on the bottom of each scope ring and take the scope off your vortex , and take the scope off the other bow and mount it on the vortex the same way......
Doing it this way you wont even have to site in again when you mount it back on the other bow... check for grouping ,, dont adjust the scope it will be very close..... Ron

[thestuz]

ok.... so ive swapped scopes and it looks like we have a result.... the varizone seems to be defective as i can get a better grouping with the lumizone now attatched. and there are not any more wild stay shots.
im not too sure if there is anything i can do to fix the scopes but i think it should be covered under warranty. ill speak to my dealer and see what he can do for me.

thank you all so much for your help. and Ron, the vortex and the excmax actually have different sight railings which is weird. i did have to adjust one of the scope rings.

i did like the simplicity and light weight of the varizone. but are there any other better scopes that you would recommend for a decent price?

edit; spoke to dealer today. hes gonna swap the scope over no questions asked. ill prob just get another varizone unless he has something more enticing.

[Lucky-Dog]

That sounds great. Im glad you figured out what it was.
Youll be back on track soon

[flightattendant100]

ok.... so ive swapped scopes and it looks like we have a result.... the varizone seems to be defective as i can get a better grouping with the lumizone now attatched. and there are not any more wild stay shots.
im not too sure if there is anything i can do to fix the scopes but i think it should be covered under warranty. ill speak to my dealer and see what he can do for me.

thank you all so much for your help. and Ron, the vortex and the excmax actually have different sight railings which is weird. i did have to adjust one of the scope rings.

i did like the simplicity and light weight of the varizone. but are there any other better scopes that you would recommend for a decent price?

edit; spoke to dealer today. hes gonna swap the scope over no questions asked. ill prob just get another varizone unless he has something more enticing.

The Nikon Bolt scope is decent. Bowhuntersuperstore has 'em on e-bay for $129 I think the reticle is a little busy for hunting but should be fine for targets.I wouldnt trade my Leupolds for anything, and you can find used Leupold "shotgun" scopes on e-bay for $125-150. I recently bought the new Redfield Revenge Crossbow scope to try. So far I like it very well. It is bright and clear and initial adjustment was great. It is far too early to give an honest evaluatuion yet tho and these are about $175 new. All the above have a lifetime warranty as well I believe.
The Excalibur scopes all do a remarkable job for the money involved.I have found that you can buy a used Leupold for close to what a new Excal. scope costs and the Leupold is hands down winner every time. Just my opinion.