Boo wrote:Mike, I think the previous generation of archers would be saying the same thing about the speeds you like. It wasn't long ago that 250 ft/sec was considered fast and before that 180 ft/sec. Speed is relative and it's good to some degree.
But who is going to draw the line? What speed and why? I think this next generation is going to think we shot slow bows! Should we dictate what others shoot? Are we going to have different rules for bears and antelope? It's a slippery slope to be sure.
I don't have the answers and neither does anyone but one things for sure the faster it is the more the young pups we are going to have in the field tomorrow.
Don,us older ppl.did have fast Bows fer our time. Now they make them faster fer the newer shooters/hunters. I won't draw the line on speed, thats an individuals choice. Like i prefer the 355 to the 380 & the newer 405 i guess they be callin it. I can put one of me logs in the 355 n have a small framed lighter weight Thumper!
Limbs and Sticks wrote:Always the same when one of these threads come up everything that's wrong about fast bows, I read a lot of things here in this tread that are out and out wrong, you need weight for penetration, ke isn't enough, holes healing because the arrow was to fast, i've never seen folks with fast bows look for flaws or criticize the slower bows ever, to each their own, i know my fast bow takes care of business out to forty yds, that's my limit right now.
why can't you have speed and patience both, maybe some people can't
Cossack wrote:. Fast bows have a downside most folks don't consider: everything, esp the arrow, has to be just right to get consistent accuracy.
I agree 100%
I still like a fast arrow. I like to get close, that part will not change for me. The speed just help me make a better shot and I can add weight to the arrow for some real punch, using those LARGE cut blades.
With the 405 . . .maybe they will make a 4 inch broadhead.
I'd rather wear out than rust out.
Perception trumps intention.
The thing that grinds me about it is in a way speed after and who knows what that is gets so fast that there will be no need for judging yardage and the vertical crowd will he a good argument that crossbow is getting more like a rifle. I would hate to see that day come. All the bows kill and the only reason I see for speed is to get rid of misjudging yardage and that is part of ARChery is it not?
Mike . . .the vertical guys are shooting faster too.
There may very well come a time when the season opens and it's all open. I say that more because there are more and more deer and fewer and fewer hunters . . .at least in the parts I hunt.
I'd rather wear out than rust out.
Perception trumps intention.
Just my 2 cents in the matter
Once told to me by a wise man-Speed kills air
And if you want to set the world on fire get yourself a 220-swift.
Bows will and have always been considered a close range weapon.
Native Americans stalked up close to their game they were gonna harvest
Along with shot placement. Faster bows are nice but not always better for the sport of Archery-Again just my 2-cents!!!
First of all I just joined the forum a few days ago and wanted to say hello
Speed is personal choice but mostly being comfortable and confident with what you are shooting. I have an equinox and 355 and practice at various yardage 3-4 times a week. I want the speed for the fact that I don't have to be exact on yardage and I want to make the best shot I can. I am limited on the days I get to hunt and I love the thrill but I also want to make the best shot and harvest whatever I am hunting . I don't have a lot of days to pass up a good shot at 40 yards knowing I can adjust my stand and try for a closer shot.
Again my thoughts, being comfortable, confident and knowing your limitations is key. It will be different for each person
Sadly 2 things will affect speed more then actual necessity, our competitiveness, and money IMO. For companies that want to stay top, they need to be innovative, and if they don't, someone else will, as we've seen with Excal knock offs.
Another thing to be aware of, is reducing the skill level, also opens the sport to more hunters with a smaller learning curve, and again increased sales. Golf is a perfect example of this, I own a driver that I can hit 275+ yards with all day long, 25 years ago that was unheard of at the amateur level, and with clubs more forgiving it allows a few strokes off the average golfers game, but it all becomes relative. Instead of taking lessons, most folks buy new clubs, twice I've used rentals that were terrible clubs, but I was still able shoot low 80's, so the true passionate hunters will always understand the art it's origin.
I think the most important thing is folks that enjoy more traditional methods and equipment stay with it, to keep the art of knowledge alive. My Dad prefers is motor boat for fishing and rifles for hunting, yet I prefer my canoe and crossbow. We both have a mutual respect for each other and both the other side of the coin so to speak. What I find most interesting is my son wants a vertical bow. Change is not always good, but it is how we are, so keep doing it the way you enjoy it, to prevent it from being a lost art.
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