Excalibur Classic Club

[VixChix]

Actually i wouldn't mind an old bow section. I'm thinking there are still many who have the older bows that rarely post anymore since the new bows have taken over the forum.

[jparchery]

Vixchix has a good point, why not try it out?

[flightattendant100]

I can`t remember the last time I was to a barber . My barber now is Mr. Gillette .

Mine is "Mr. Wahl" bought a pair of clippers for the same price as ONE haircut!

[JUSTANUFF]

A Classic Club deserves strong consideration,,,it is what has the most experience and BUILDING of the NAME,,,it deserves to be separate from the new generation of technology,,IMHO,,,

[ELLIS]

What VixChix said x 2.

Martix and Micro threads seem to be dominating. Would like the chance of one stop shopping and get right to information 100% related to the older bows.

[strum]

ok im going to throw my 2 cents in ..
from the beginning Bill T wanted his cross bows to be simple and reliable
The KISS theory . And that is exactly what he accomplished . I wasn't there with you guys in the beginning but ive owned enough Excals now to ask ..what would you talk different about?
from the wolverine to the micro the questions are the same.
we still have recure limbs ..made about the same way just shaped a little different
we still use the same strings just some length changes
we still use the same trigger and might I add even some of you old timers are testing the TTs
the rails are the same (different lengths=different speeds)
risers are not much different although we see swept back,swept forward and flat.
we still are killing game with any and all of em
we still are busting knocks if we shoot the same place twice.
we still change our strings IN THE STAND if needed and we all enjoy watching the weeled bows explode on a dry fire ok maybe just me on that one
What would you talk different?
we have a good group of folk here and some of them actually hunt and take game and know what they are doing.
some are duffheads but its always been that way.
I love the long limbers and I can say after shooting most all of them I still think the Exocet was my best shooter. I think my micro shoots equal in speed as my Max. I think Wabi still loves his Pheonix but is lusting a Micro
I saw Mr Vixenmaster turn into KONG
But he and them and we still love all things Excalibur
What would you talk different?

[robertyb]

ok im going to throw my 2 cents in ..
from the beginning Bill T wanted his cross bows to be simple and reliable
The KISS theory . And that is exactly what he accomplished . I wasn't there with you guys in the beginning but ive owned enough Excals now to ask ..what would you talk different about?
from the wolverine to the micro the questions are the same.
we still have recure limbs ..made about the same way just shaped a little different
we still use the same strings just some length changes
we still use the same trigger and might I add even some of you old timers are testing the TTs
the rails are the same (different lengths=different speeds)
risers are not much different although we see swept back,swept forward and flat.
we still are killing game with any and all of em
we still are busting knocks if we shoot the same place twice.
we still change our strings IN THE STAND if needed and we all enjoy watching the weeled bows explode on a dry fire ok maybe just me on that one
What would you talk different?
we have a good group of folk here and some of them actually hunt and take game and know what they are doing.
some are duffheads but its always been that way.
I love the long limbers and I can say after shooting most all of them I still think the Exocet was my best shooter. I think my micro shoots equal in speed as my Max. I think Wabi still loves his Pheonix but is lusting a Micro
I saw Mr Vixenmaster turn into KONG
But he and them and we still love all things Excalibur
What would you talk different?

X-2
Good post Strum.

[Pydpiper]

What would you talk different?

-Pros and cons of varying brace heights before they became a "fixed" height by bumpers.
-Dryfire stories before there were ADF units, and bows that could handle repeated dryfires (not me of course).
-Chatter about the bows in general and little mods that made little differences, that has been replaced by getting the newest bow that seem to be coming out every couple months.

I don't think it would be so much about having different things to say, but I think some are thinking a separate board to hold on to some of the old stuff that seemed to work like glue, keeping members all on the same page.
When there were only a few different models, and the only difference being rail length, it gave most people a different sense of commodore. Those that enjoyed that, seem to want to hang on to it. Understandably so.
There was a time when a "big change" in the bows was a camo pattern, or even bigger, a thumbhole stock. That was breaking news in it's day.
I can see the attraction of some wanting to keep that ora of their bows, it stayed that way for a very long time.
My initial attraction to these bows was that they didn't follow the rest of the industries quest to make it faster and smaller, their simplicity and time proven design had a lot of followers.
Again, I don't think it is about discussing something different, it would be more to discussing what has always been known, changes came slow, and there wasn't something new every month to try to understand, or pursue.
I am all for change, I like the new bows, and I am a BIG fan of technology. Those Micros have my attention, but in my house it isn't as simple as buying a new bow, by this season there will be 4 of us hanging these off our shoulders, that's a $4000 investment. I just couldn't bring myself to buying a new bow without getting the wife one, my son and my next in line daughter. Ugg..
Excalibur owners will always have something in common, plain old good taste. But the new bows are far from simple, and can be a distraction for some who are accustomed to the simplicity of the classics.
In any event, it is all good, there is a flavor for every taste.

[carvedtip]

As the name suggests, I shoot a classic 165# Exocet and though the new models may be pretty sexy, I will go home from the dance with the girl I brought.

I would enjoy a section devoted to the old carved tip bows.

[Tom]

Pydpiper I have to totally disagree with your statement that these new bows are far from simple and can be a distraction.

These new bows are as simple as the older bows. Recurve limbs, and supporting parts which are simular to all other models. Other then the anti-dryfire, size of parts and looks are basicly the only differences.

In todays world, most people want to take down walls to get an open concept, not to close things off with walls. Most all comments on one model can be applied to all other models. I personally have and use a model (Relayer) which is the most different but I still gather information which I can apply to my bow by reading posts on the other bows.

Now look at this from a company's point of view. The way it is set up currently, members and new people (guests) to the forum are not isolated from information by models, but are readily able to view all information and suggestions from one forum. The question is, how many members on here were able to choose a model from the information put forth in tbe single forum. Also how many members convinced themselves they needed another model to add to their collections just because they read praise and information they read in this one forum.

My feeling about this forum and how it is setup currently not only benifits us members, but also Excalibur for the ease of education of crossbows and their products to not just members, but guests to the site.

Tom

[RexKay]

Hey I have 3 Matrix bows and a micro....but I shot my nanny with my vixen!!...
I dig all my Excals..heck why not! Hunt story's and pics be great!!

[Pydpiper]

I understand. It doesn't seem to matter what I say anymore here and it is misconstrued, and I am OK with that.
The ADF is complicated, I say that because when it was first introduced I stood over one in a very important hunt and we fought with it, fought hard. I can fix simple, but in that moment, it was simply not a fixable issue.
It is there because the limbs can NOT withstand a dryfire, and its presence was far from simple. Two experienced Excalibur guys, struggling to get a string to engage, in the field, when we really, really needed to get that string engaged. it wasn't in a target area, it was over a game animal that really needed to have a second arrow.
I try to be elaborate with my posts, they are rarely short, but to sum this one up.. A bow without gadgets like an ADF is what I would call simple, any addition to that bow further complicates its simplicity. I do understand it is a necessary piece of equipment, But I stand behind what I said, it complicates a simple machine.
I have had one, and only one experience with an ADF, and it was not pleasant.
If you can picture two hunters standing over a wounded animal and absolutely no possible way of getting the bow cocked to finish it, you would better understand my choice of words. My bow at the time was void of ADF, and that was my baseline for "simplicity". But then, my bow didn't need an ADF.
So in my eyes, and they are eyes of experience, adding a mechanism does not make it more simple, ever.
If you think they are as simple, lets have a dryfire contest, I will rattle my wife' Ibex with multiple dryfires and continue to shoot, and stand beside someone with an ADF, and see if they can do the same.
Perhaps I am using the word "simple" too loosely, in my opinion anything you add to simple quickly makes it less "simple".
As far as bows get, these Excaliburs have the art of simplicity down pat, but no matter how much you disagree with me, they are not as simple as they once were.
Is that a good thing? I suppose it is, they are keeping up with the numbers as the wheeled bows, minus the wheels. But the days of an arrow, string, release and limbs are no more, there are other factors reducing simplicity.
For me, I get what I like, and I have to deal with the fact that a long post can be dissected by the means of a single word.
I have yet in my whole life seen a machine of any form had something added to it not become more complex (opposite of simple).
Its all good.

[Tom]

Pydpiper I did not misconstrue what you said. You said that the new bows were not a simple bow. I disagree with that statement. Your secondary post then claimed that it is the "adf" which is what makes it a non simple bow. Well the anti-dryfire is an option, not all newer bows have that option.

The anti-dryfire is not an option because the limbs cannot take a dryfire. It was produced as an option because members asked for years to have one available.

Theses limbs can withstand a dryfire, just not to the extent of which the lower poundage bows can. A long time ago BillT stated on this forum that the higher poundage bows have limbs which are less forgiving. This means that the limbs could fail quicker with dryfires. Meaning, instead of 100 dryfires, it might fail at 50.

I didnot post these to attack you, but your incorrect statements. People will read your post and because you are experianced will believe it and maybe pass this mis-information on to others. Sorry if you think my starments were dirrected because you stated it, that is not the fact.

Tom

[Pydpiper]

Pydpiper I did not misconstrue what you said. You said that the new bows were not a simple bow. I disagree with that statement. Your secondary post then claimed that it is the "adf" which is what makes it a non simple bow. Well the anti-dryfire is an option, not all newer bows have that option.

The anti-dryfire is not an option because the limbs cannot take a dryfire. It was produced as an option because members asked for years to have one available.

Theses limbs can withstand a dryfire, just not to the extent of which the lower poundage bows can. A long time ago BillT stated on this forum that the higher poundage bows have limbs which are less forgiving. This means that the limbs could fail quicker with dryfires. Meaning, instead of 100 dryfires, it might fail at 50.

I didnot post these to attack you, but your incorrect statements. People will read your post and because you are experianced will believe it and maybe pass this mis-information on to others. Sorry if you think my starments were dirrected because you stated it, that is not the fact.

Tom

Didn't see it as an attack.
Just an opinion, but we are veering from the topic. A question was asked, I answered it.

[jparchery]

I'm a Union man, I say we do a vote!