Scope Decision Time

SLP82 · Post by **SLP82** » Sat Jul 18, 2015 8:59 pm

Ok, so I will be honest, I am a little nervous about using the supplied deadzone or varizone scope that will be supplied with the Matrix Grizzly and Matrix 330 (I bought both). I want to have this whole setup ready to go for hunting season, and I personally have decided I don't want to take a chance on the factory scopes. I know many of you have not had problems, but I still would prefer to change it. Now that being said, I don't want to drop Leupold "coin" on a scope. So what are my best options for something better than the factory scopes but not spending Leupold money. Nikon? Hawke?

nchunterkw · Post by **nchunterkw** » Sat Jul 18, 2015 9:04 pm

Nothing wrong with the factory scopes. Why would you be nervous?
If you want to upgrade fine, but don't think there is anything wrong with the Excal stuff. I personally like finer adjustment than 2MOA so I have updated to Hawke optics on both my bows.

bubba · Post by **bubba** » Sat Jul 18, 2015 9:05 pm

Both would be good choices..

wabi · Post by **wabi** » Sat Jul 18, 2015 9:29 pm

You're in the US, so I'd call Danny Miller and see if he would be receptive to taking the factory scope and upgrading to a Leupold for some added coin.

I had a scope failure and Danny allowed me to send in my defective Vari-zone along with a check for the difference in price to upgrade to Leupold.

Haven't has any regrets, and I can vouch for Leupold dependability!

As for the brands you mentioned, Hawke is the only scope I own. I do have a set of Nikon binoculars, though.

The Hawke scope did NOT impress me! Optic quality was not what I expected by the reviews I've read. For me there is a bit of difficulty getting a clear view at dawn & dusk, and I pick up a lot of reflected light (images) in the ocular lens. I'd just stick with the Excal optics if that was my only option.

The Nikon binoculars have good optics, but I thought the overall construction felt a bit "flimsy", so I gave them to my son and bought a set of Leupold binoculars for myself.

SLP82 · Post by **SLP82** » Sat Jul 18, 2015 9:34 pm

wabi wrote:You're in the US, so I'd call Danny Miller and see if he would be receptive to taking the factory scope and upgrading to a Leupold for some added coin.

I had a scope failure and Danny allowed me to send in my defective Vari-zone along with a check for the difference in price to upgrade to Leupold.

Haven't has any regrets, and I can vouch for Leupold dependability!

As for the brands you mentioned, Hawke is the only scope I own. I do have a set of Nikon binoculars, though.

The Hawke scope did NOT impress me! Optic quality was not what I expected by the reviews I've read. For me there is a bit of difficulty getting a clear view at dawn & dusk, and I pick up a lot of reflected light (images) in the ocular lens. I'd just stick with the Excal optics if that was my only option.

The Nikon binoculars have good optics, but I thought the overall construction felt a bit "flimsy", so I gave them to my son and bought a set of Leupold binoculars for myself.

Good to know about Danny. I just keep hearing good things about him. I didn't buy my crossbows from him though. I will probably just put them for sale cheap on ebay and go ahead and buy a new scope and re-coop the little money later. I agree with you on the ability to gather light at low light... honestly I am not sure why I am wanting to go cheaper on the scope on my excalibur... all of my rifles have Leupold on them. I guess I should just fork up the money and do it right the 1st time.

BrotherRon · Post by **BrotherRon** » Sat Jul 18, 2015 9:36 pm

So far I like the two excalibur scopes I have.

strum · Post by **strum** » Sat Jul 18, 2015 10:00 pm

Dont know whats on the grizzly but the Varizone is a solid scope.

JUSTANUFF · Post by **JUSTANUFF** » Sat Jul 18, 2015 10:42 pm

strum wrote:Dont know whats on the grizzly but the Varizone is a solid scope.

x2

xcaliber · Post by **xcaliber** » Sat Jul 18, 2015 11:05 pm

awshucks · Post by **awshucks** » Sun Jul 19, 2015 12:22 am

x4 You need to 'chat' w/ Danny asap....doesn't matter to him where you bought what at and he's been known to deal some.

amythntr · Post by **amythntr** » Sun Jul 19, 2015 12:42 am

....take a gander at Natchez Shooters Supply in your Scope search....

....here is the link:

http://www.natchezss.com/optics/archery-scopes.html

Anthony

SLP82 · Post by **SLP82** » Sun Jul 19, 2015 1:35 am

Depending on which crossbow I decide to keep, the Grizzly came with a "deadzone" and the Matrix 330 came with the varizone. I am leaning towards keeping the Matrix 330 honestly. One of my friends is itching to buy which ever I don't want (crossbow). Honestly both feel solid and the performance difference is negligible on paper. Even though it makes no difference, I really like the idea of the aluminum frame.

I will definitely talk to Danny then if that is the case. I need to order his buffer, arrow puller, HD stringing aid, and an extra string.

I might give the varizone a chance for one season and see how it does. I could always upgrade it later. Guess it will kind of depend on the feedback I get from Danny... wouldn't mind his opinion as well.

Thank you all for your input!

SEW · Post by **SEW** » Sun Jul 19, 2015 7:40 am

I always have a backup crossbow, just in case. The M330 is likely the most dependable, reliable crossbow available. Hawke is a lot for the money. The SR Pro has a lot to offer. I use the Zeiss XB75 - like it a lot.

nchunterkw · Post by **nchunterkw** » Sun Jul 19, 2015 9:01 am

wabi wrote:You're in the US, so I'd call Danny Miller and see if he would be receptive to taking the factory scope and upgrading to a Leupold for some added coin.

I had a scope failure and Danny allowed me to send in my defective Vari-zone along with a check for the difference in price to upgrade to Leupold.

Haven't has any regrets, and I can vouch for Leupold dependability!

As for the brands you mentioned, Hawke is the only scope I own. I do have a set of Nikon binoculars, though.

The Hawke scope did NOT impress me! Optic quality was not what I expected by the reviews I've read. For me there is a bit of difficulty getting a clear view at dawn & dusk, and I pick up a lot of reflected light (images) in the ocular lens. I'd just stick with the Excal optics if that was my only option.

The Nikon binoculars have good optics, but I thought the overall construction felt a bit "flimsy", so I gave them to my son and bought a set of Leupold binoculars for myself.

Hawke has really upped their game from the older models. I have no trouble with my older XB1 and my newer XB30 was impressive the other night at 8:57pm.
As was said earlier they offer a lot for the money. Something you might keep in mind as a new crossbow shooter is that in hunting situations you will not be shooting "rifle distances". So factor that I to the equation.

vixenmaster · Post by **vixenmaster** » Sun Jul 19, 2015 9:23 am

Here is my opinion on the scopes. The Varizone is solid never had one go bad to send back to Danny's, i have 3 of them. Never owned a Deadzone nor looked thru one. I am abit of a tightwad, but i sprung fer a super new Zeiss XB75 crossbow scope to put on Marie Laveau

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