Firearm registration enforcement?

Shakky · Post by **Shakky** » Tue Sep 14, 2004 6:02 pm

A friend of mine didn't register his firearms so I registered them under my name. He was going to go get his P.A.L. but has not done so yet. He will not have time to get the paper work done before the gun season for deer. He wants to use his gun. Are the OPP enforcing the registration? How risky do you think this would be? I have not hunted with my guns since the new laws so I have no idea what they are asking for when the cops come around. Where we go deer hunting it is the OPP that check things out. I haven't seen the MNR in years. Opinions.

Mighty Mooser · Post by **Mighty Mooser** » Tue Sep 14, 2004 6:10 pm

Your friend will get far less a slap on the wrist, then you will. You can't lend a gun to someone that is not registered, or you are at risk....
Yor friend better get cracking!!

Sandman · Post by **Sandman** » Tue Sep 14, 2004 7:07 pm

Not sure whether the OPP are checking for licenced people or not but I would not want to take the chance of running into someone who is having a bad day!

As far as who would get into the most $hit I think it's pretty much equal. Here's what our Criminal Code states as far as your friend possessing a firearm without a licence;

91. (1) Subject to subsections (4) and (5) and section 98, every person commits an offence who possesses a firearm, unless the person is the holder of

(a) a licence under which the person may possess it; and

Punishment
(3) Every person who commits an offence under subsection (1) or (2)

(a) is guilty of an indictable offence and liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding five years; or

(b) is guilty of an offence punishable on summary conviction.

Now for yourself the following would apply;

101. (1) Every person commits an offence who transfers a firearm, a prohibited weapon, a restricted weapon, a prohibited device, any ammunition or any prohibited ammunition to any person otherwise than under the authority of the Firearms Act or any other Act of Parliament or any regulations made under an Act of Parliament.

Punishment
(2) Every person who commits an offence under subsection (1)

(a) is guilty of an indictable offence and liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding five years; or

(b) is guilty of an offence punishable on summary conviction.

Remember I am only the messanger here!

Here's the link to the Criminal Code for anyone interested; http://laws.justice.gc.ca/en/C-46/41775.html

Just my opinion from up here in the cheap seats
Regards,
Robin

RichardS · Post by **RichardS** » Tue Sep 14, 2004 8:01 pm

The inside information i have on registration is this:

The officers cant legaly be told not to enforce a law but the message has been passed to them.

Officers can charge someone for not registering their guns but it would look terrible on them in front of many people including the judges.

On the other hand possesing a firearm without a license is an enforced crime. You would get in alot of trouble along with your buddy.

Ill tell you know that your probaly not going to get caught especially on private land.

Shakky · Post by **Shakky** » Tue Sep 14, 2004 8:36 pm

Not worth it. Thanks for the info. guys.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Tue Sep 14, 2004 10:49 pm

YIKES!!!!
5 years of breaking big rocks in to little rocks does'nt sound very good to me either Shakky.

nerosrevenge · Post by **nerosrevenge** » Wed Sep 15, 2004 12:26 am

Sounds like your friend should have gotten his ducks in a row sooner!

Steve.

TAC · Post by **TAC** » Wed Sep 15, 2004 7:27 am

I think you'd be taking a big risk. I took my PAL two weeks ago and the instructor advised that it will likely take about 8-12 weeks to get the paperwork back from the gov't.

If, on the off chance it happened, a MNR CO came along and found him hunting without a PAL and the guns were in your name, both of you would be in trouble. You could lose not only the gun he was using but whatever _you_ are using too. Then you could also run into the problem of your other equipment that you have with you that day being seized too.

Definitely not worth it IMO.

RichardS · Post by **RichardS** » Wed Sep 15, 2004 9:52 am

Its too bad you didnt post this 20 days ago.

After you write you PAL and you send in your paper work theres a waiting time of 60 days. after the 60 days you can phone the government and they will give you your number so you can go out.

A.W · Post by **A.W** » Wed Sep 15, 2004 10:12 am

I'm in the process of updating my licence from a POL to a PAL at the moment.

Once you have sent the paper work in it takes up to 45 days then 2 weeks for them to mail it.

If you sign into the firearms website you can check to see how it's proceeding.

Here's my latest.

Licence Application Status Results

Application Number: XXXXXXXXXXXXX

Application Received on: XXXXXXXXXXX

Current Status: Your application has been processed and your licence has been issued. If you have not received your licence within 2 weeks please contact the Canada Firearms Centre Toll Free number. (1-800 731-4000)

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Note: An accurately completed firearms licence application normally takes about 45 days to process. Incomplete and inaccurate information can add additional processing time

Hope this helps.

GREY OWL · Post by **GREY OWL** » Wed Sep 15, 2004 10:57 pm

We are so pis**ed off here in Saskatchewan. We put the blame directly on big cities, who have most of the violent crime. The biggest city here is the one I'm currently in, Saskatoon, 220,000 people. Everyone in this town almost is from the rural countryside. I was raised with rifles, and yet we are made to feel like crimminals.

Are own government said they would not sick the fish cops on us if we didn't register. This law in our minds does not pertain to residents here. We even had one fellow take a gun down to the police station with all the media there, they would not arrest him. He taunted the police on several different occasions, but to no avail. He purposely wanted to get arrested, to make a point. Although I do have my PAL, the gun shops are asking for them when purchasing a gun. But if you already own guns, they leave you alone.

That's one big reason we here in the West voted P.C.'s, to boot the Fiberals out. Hopefully they are only in power for a short time, then maybe this bogus law can be scrapped or revised.

Grey Owl

Adrian J Hare · Post by **Adrian J Hare** » Thu Sep 16, 2004 7:36 am

As far as what I can read here,,,

You own your budies guns ,, not him.

You Can not lend a firearm to anyone with out a PAL and it being registered.

Your Buddy has been sleeping , and should have been on this long before the hunt. Everyone knows of this paper work and the timely fashion it takes to get it.

And Yes If the OPP is involed they will ask for the registration of the firearm and your PAL.

Save yourself from being another Criminal in Ontario, Don't do it with out the right paper work...BT

A.W · Post by **A.W** » Thu Sep 16, 2004 9:02 am

My PAL was delivered yesterday it says on the back of it that I can be in possession of non-restricted and restricted. Also says that I can acquisition crossbows, non-restricted and restricted.

TAC · Post by **TAC** » Thu Sep 16, 2004 9:48 am

I was told that x-bows actually are on the PAL list but it's too hard to enforce the law. Seems kinda odd.

A.W wrote:My PAL was delivered yesterday it says on the back of it that I can be in possession of non-restricted and restricted. Also says that I can acquisition crossbows, non-restricted and restricted.

A.W · Post by **A.W** » Thu Sep 16, 2004 10:00 am

TAC wrote:I was told that x-bows actually are on the PAL list but it's too hard to enforce the law. Seems kinda odd.

A.W wrote:My PAL was delivered yesterday it says on the back of it that I can be in possession of non-restricted and restricted. Also says that I can acquisition crossbows, non-restricted and restricted.

Earlier post by Bill T

Posted: Thu Dec 05, 2002 5:19 pm Post subject: Lets get this crossbow license stuff straight!!!

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As of 96, the great Canadian money pit called Bill C-68 had every intention of forcing everyone who acquires a crossbow to have either a PAL or POL or else a "crossbow Acquisition license". Also, it was to be impossible for anyone under the age of 18 to get a license of acquire a crossbow.
This was a darned site better than originally planned by our Great Fathers in Ottawa, as they had wanted to ban all crossbows when the law was first considered. Thank God that we heard of this in time to let them know that there were people who actually used crossbows in this country. Next they decided that we should register our crossbows. Luckily most crossbows do not have serial #s so we got off there.
Remember that all this was precipitated by a single incident in Ottawa in 92 where an estranged husband murdered his ex wife in front of the office where she worked as a lawyer. Please all do us a favor and don't ever kill someone with a crossbow, no matter how badly they deserve it!
I was the only one called to defend crossbows at the Parlaimentary hearing and Senate hearing. They were very polite, but they had an agenda and they wanted their fun.
Luckily for all us crossbow guys, the logistics of implementing the law were way beyond their wildest nightmare. In an effort to save the firearms issues they put off the crossbow licensing as the problems with how to deal with the business side and importation were badly flawed and expensive to impliment.
As of now, they have a legal obligation to either have the entire crossbow part of the bill being enforced by Jan. 1 2003 or else it is automatically dropped from the bill. As they don't have a hope in hell of doing this since no business or acquisition licenses have been printed, this is a bullet that we can all consider perminently ducked.
The bottom line here is.....NO CROSSBOW LICENSE IS REQUIRED!