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Re: BAN ON SHOTGUNS

Post by ihunt » Wed May 06, 2020 3:05 pm

Update on shotgun ban as per National Post and I quote “ spokesperson for Public Safety Minister Bill Blair on Tuesday said the ban would not include shotguns, and was preparing an official statement on the matter as the National Post went to press.“

Also quotes A review of the prohibition list by the CSAAA, led by law firm Edward Burlew, suggested it could include 10-gauge and 12-gauge shotguns equipped with removable chokes, based on new regulations that ban any gun bore that is 20mm or wider. Removable chokes are accessories added to the end of the barrel that widen or narrow a shotgun’s spread.
Replied “ A spokesperson for Blair said those guns would not be banned under the new regulations.“


Link: https://nationalpost.com/news/incoherent-liberal-firearm-ban-excludes-several-semi-automatics-potentially-outlaws-big-game-hunting-rifles


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Re: BAN ON SHOTGUNS

Post by IronNoggin » Wed May 06, 2020 3:43 pm

Yep. Billy Boy Blair.
He publicly stated there are NO rimfires on the list (there are), there are NO bolt action hunting rifles on the list (at least four) and so much more.
You willing to bet he suddenly became honest in this matter and he will personally rectify the wording (complicated process) to ensure the duck guns are safe??
Really??? :shock:

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Re: BAN ON SHOTGUNS

Post by janesy » Wed May 06, 2020 8:21 pm

It's clearly documented as law. If you believe Bill Blair then go ahead, that's your choice. But that simple fact is, it's on paper... They can act on it at any time they want for the remainder of the laws life, completely uncontested. The second they want to ban a shotgun, it's already banned.

Further, after this government is long gone, how can you get so certain that the next government chooses to interpret it the same way? Once it's on paper it's on paper. Regardless of how they choose to interpret it today, those guns are as good as banned.
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Wed May 06, 2020 3:05 pm
Update on shotgun ban as per National Post and I quote “ spokesperson for Public Safety Minister Bill Blair on Tuesday said the ban would not include shotguns, and was preparing an official statement on the matter as the National Post went to press.“

Also quotes A review of the prohibition list by the CSAAA, led by law firm Edward Burlew, suggested it could include 10-gauge and 12-gauge shotguns equipped with removable chokes, based on new regulations that ban any gun bore that is 20mm or wider. Removable chokes are accessories added to the end of the barrel that widen or narrow a shotgun’s spread.
Replied “ A spokesperson for Blair said those guns would not be banned under the new regulations.“


Link: https://nationalpost.com/news/incoherent-liberal-firearm-ban-excludes-several-semi-automatics-potentially-outlaws-big-game-hunting-rifles


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Re: BAN ON SHOTGUNS

Post by IronNoggin » Thu May 07, 2020 4:45 pm

First Firearms Petition (the one that has set the highest number ever recorded) was presented to Parliament today:

https://petitions.ourcommons.ca/en/Petition/Details?Petition=e-2341
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Re: BAN ON SHOTGUNS

Post by janesy » Thu May 07, 2020 5:51 pm

IronNoggin wrote:
Thu May 07, 2020 4:45 pm
First Firearms Petition (the one that has set the highest number ever recorded) was presented to Parliament today:

https://petitions.ourcommons.ca/en/Petition/Details?Petition=e-2341
Better late than never I suppose
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Re: BAN ON SHOTGUNS

Post by IronNoggin » Fri May 08, 2020 5:22 pm

Email from the CSSA as follows:

RCMP prohibits first 12-Gauge Shotgun with 20mm Bore Law - CBSA Memorandum backs Firearms Lawyers on Shotgun Ban

May 8, 2020

OSHAWA: On May 5, 2020, CSSA and CSAAA issued a joint news release showing Justin Trudeau and Bill Blair – either through gross ignorance or gross incompetence – banned 12-gauge and 10-gauge shotguns under the 20mm maximum bore diameter restriction in *SOR/2020-96."

Minister Blair’s denied this via social media, saying,

“Both 10 and 12 gauge shotguns are under the 20mm provision, and thus not subject to the prohibition. Our government is taking action to protect Canadians by banning assault-style weapons – not those used for hunting.

“The truth matters,” Minister Blair said.

We agree 100%. The truth matters.

This morning, the RCMP confirmed the first 12-gauge shotgun prohibited under the new Order-in-Council.

The deadly evil weapon? An old Iver Johnson single-shot, fixed choke 12-gauge shotgun with a 2 3/4" chamber.
That's right, a standard old farm gun.

RCMP Technical Unit Supervisor, Tim Hobbs, confirmed this firearm would be classified as prohibited in a phone call with a prominent firearms dealer.

See this firearm being measured - see for yourself:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UcGpz-2aBYk&feature=emb_logo

That’s why we asked for the legal opinion of one of Canada’s top firearm lawyers, Edward L Burlew LL.B.
Solomon Friedman LL.B., another respected lawyer well-versed in firearms law, agrees with Mr. Burlew’s opinion.

“Your standard 12-gauge shotgun, most people think it has a bore of 18.5 millimeters,” he told CBC Radio, “but modern shotguns are actually over-bored – they’re larger than 18.5 millimeters to allow you*to screw in attachments called chokes. It’s very common. Most modern shotguns are made that way and that they are almost all larger than 20 millimeters.”

If Minister Blair doesn’t want to listen to the opinion of two experts in Canadian firearms law, perhaps he will agree with the experts in one of the agencies he oversees.

The Canadian Border Services Agency (CBSA) Memorandum D19-13-2, issued May 29, 2019, defines BORE as:

"The inside of the barrel of a firearm, from the throat to the*muzzle, through which the projectile travels."

By the CBSA’s definition, it may be all 12-gauge and 10-gauge shotguns – not just those with removable chokes – are now Prohibited firearms because they do not consider the forcing cone, the “throat” of the barrel, which exceeds the 20 mm maximum bore*diameter specified in SOR/2020-96.

Will Minister Blair support the CBSA opinion that meshes with two of Canada’s top legal experts in firearms law?
Or will he toss them under the bus because he can’t admit he made a huge mistake?

We demand Minister Bill Blair immediately rescind SOR/2020-96 until such time as he can figure out what he’s doing.
It’s clear he hasn’t figured out what he’s doing yet, and all Canadian hunters and sport shooters may pay the price for his incompetence.

Fixing this particular (among many) problem requires the addition of two little words: “except shotguns.” That it is so easy to fix yet Blair refuses to make the change, tells us the wording was intentional. Minister Bill Blair promised to call us the*next day to clarify the OiC. Two and a half days later... we're still waiting. More to come. - TB
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Re: BAN ON SHOTGUNS

Post by Boo » Fri May 08, 2020 5:30 pm

IronNoggin wrote:
Fri May 08, 2020 5:22 pm
Will Minister Blair support the CBSA opinion that meshes with two of Canada’s top legal experts in firearms law?
Or will he toss them under the bus because he can’t admit he made a huge mistake?

We demand Minister Bill Blair immediately rescind SOR/2020-96 until such time as he can figure out what he’s doing.
It’s clear he hasn’t figured out what he’s doing yet, and all Canadian hunters and sport shooters may pay the price for his incompetence.

Fixing this particular (among many) problem requires the addition of two little words: “except shotguns.” That it is so easy to fix yet Blair refuses to make the change, tells us the wording was intentional. Minister Bill Blair promised to call us the*next day to clarify the OiC. Two and a half days later... we're still waiting. More to come. - TB
What I find amazing is that BB thinks he knows something about firearms. What he should do is consult with the 3 big firearm associations and all of Canada's police chiefs to hammer out better conviction and wording. But to think an idiot has been put in charge by an idiot kinda makes sense, but not in a good way. I cannot wait for the next election.
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Re: BAN ON SHOTGUNS

Post by IronNoggin » Fri May 08, 2020 6:14 pm

Important Alert: New Canadian Gun Ban Poses Risks for Exported American Shotguns

http://www2.nssf.org/webmail/127421/320079709/90e5324250e0ab22561ed5d0c0020f8535459ec8938d4cd8fc30e9262467ee1a
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Re: BAN ON SHOTGUNS

Post by janesy » Fri May 08, 2020 9:56 pm

IronNoggin wrote:
Fri May 08, 2020 6:14 pm
Important Alert: New Canadian Gun Ban Poses Risks for Exported American Shotguns

http://www2.nssf.org/webmail/127421/320079709/90e5324250e0ab22561ed5d0c0020f8535459ec8938d4cd8fc30e9262467ee1a
Oh my god he just decimated another industry with the stroke of his crayon.

"NSSF® is attempting to obtain legally-reliable assurances from the Canadian government as to whether 12-gauge or 10-gauge shotguns can be lawfully exported to Canada. We will continue to monitor this situation and keep members updated on further developments."

They clearly don't give a crap about Blair and his fix it tweet.
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Post by TPM » Sat May 09, 2020 10:26 am

https://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/en/firearms/need-know-the-government-canadas-new-prohibition-certain-firearms-and-devices?re&fbclid=IwAR2NHI3mOa-wTqD8MnR2g2jHGleyI40SBjf-r36xLoj-tMdo31fQlUDbioI
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Re: BAN ON SHOTGUNS

Post by janesy » Sat May 09, 2020 12:32 pm

TPM wrote:
Sat May 09, 2020 10:26 am
https://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/en/firearms/need-know-the-government-canadas-new-prohibition-certain-firearms-and-devices?re&fbclid=IwAR2NHI3mOa-wTqD8MnR2g2jHGleyI40SBjf-r36xLoj-tMdo31fQlUDbioI
That's all well and good. Except they verbally prohibited their first Shotgun at the same time, an ivory Johnson brake action single shot. The RCMP has turned into the liberals whipping boy

The problem is not what the current government thinks or how they choose to interpret the wording. The problem is that it's there in plain English for anyone to interpret it for the life of this Law. The government can Prohib your 12 Gauge with out any disclosure any time they want. Without any hesitation or disclosure what so ever
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Re: BAN ON SHOTGUNS

Post by ihunt » Sat May 09, 2020 12:52 pm

Didn't you all know that the ivory Johnson brake action single shot is the weapon of choice for street gangs and mass murders!
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Post by ComfyBear » Sat May 09, 2020 2:11 pm

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Re: BAN ON SHOTGUNS

Post by Carnivorous » Sat May 09, 2020 3:09 pm

I just watched an interview with Minister Blair! What a complete idiot! I mean are you kidding me? Since when does his opinion count?? F the liberals and their b.s.!!!!

Thanks I needed to vent!!

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Re: BAN ON SHOTGUNS

Post by janesy » Sat May 09, 2020 9:04 pm

ihunt wrote:
Sat May 09, 2020 12:52 pm
Didn't you all know that the ivory Johnson brake action single shot is the weapon of choice for street gangs and mass murders!
How could that be? They are illegal, the bad guys can't have them now.
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