OT: Canadain Firearm Buy Back Program

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I hope with allmy being that Turdeau and his minions go down in flames whenever our next election is called ! No party status for the Lieberals and Turdeau loses in his own riding ! the narcissistic clown needs a humiliating defeat for himself and his minions !

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Things appear that they might be changing for New Zealand:

Semi-automatic firearms back on the table in gun laws shakeup

Semi-automatics could make a return to gun ranges with New Zealand's firearms laws in for a major shake-up this term.

National and ACT agreed to rewrite the Arms Act - in place since the early 1980s - as part of its coalition arrangement.

Everything is on the table, including changing the existing licensing regime and re-introducing the military-style weapons used in the 15 March terror attacks.

"It means starting from scratch," Associate Justice Minister Nicole McKee told RNZ

McKee wants to roll back what she described as "rushed" and "knee-jerk" legislation so regulations were less onerous on firearms owners.

"Gun ownership is a normal way of life. Now, everyone thinks that it's used just as a weapon, rather than as a sporting tool or a way to put food on the table," she said.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2024/02/semi-automatic-firearms-back-on-the-table-in-gun-laws-shakeup.html

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No Public Gun Buyback Planned for 2024: Public Safety Canada

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q68ox25eMgw

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Now a PAL License is mandatory to acquire magazines!
Can't make this stuff up!

Authorization to transfer a cartridge magazine to individuals (subsection 25(1) of the Firearms Act)

An individual may transfer cartridge magazine that is not deemed prohibited only if the transferee possesses a valid firearms licence.

Magazines may not be acquired during the licence "extension period" (subsection 64(1.2) of the Firearms Act)

Following the expiration of a firearms licence, a licence holder may not acquire cartridge magazines during the extension period (six months) and may only acquire cartridge magazines once the licence is renewed.

https://us20.campaign-archive.com/?e=3598ffe6c4&u=6108cf2d89cb7a44f80a46e25&id=8d3186903b

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Liberals at Queen's Park show ignorance on guns and justice

If you ever needed proof that Liberals don’t understand gun crime, gun control or gun policy beyond using it to scare people, Stephen Blais is walking proof.

The MPP for Orleans in Ottawa stood up to try and make a point this week on guns and judges getting tough on crime and utterly failed.

The Liberals at Queen’s Park have been trying to make hay out of the fact that Premier Doug Ford appointed two people who used to work for him to the panel that vets lawyers seeking judicial appointments. Imagine that, the party that won the election appointing people who philosophically agree with them to advisory roles in the government.

This is a complete non-scandal because not only does every party do this, but they should do this. You advance the agenda you were elected on by relying on those who agree with you to get things done.

No matter that the previous Ontario Liberal government did this or that the federal Liberal government that Blais supports does this, he and his party want to make this an issue.

On Wednesday though, Blais decided to go a step further and point out that Matt Bondy, Ford’s former deputy chief of staff who is now chair of the Judicial Appointments Advisory Committee, is also registered to lobby for a gun manufacturer.

“How can we believe the Premier’s tough-on-crime stance when he’s asked the guy who sells the guns to appoint the judges?” Blais asked during Question Period.

And with that, he showed everyone that he knows absolutely nothing about guns.

Bondy is indeed a lobbyist for a gun manufacturer, a company out of Kitchener called Colt Canada that only makes and sells weapons to the Canadian military and law enforcement. In fact, Colt’s only reason to exist with their facility in Kitchener is so that Canada has a secure domestic supply of rifles and other small arms for the Canadian military.

If Blais walked into his local gun store he wouldn’t be able to buy anything from Colt Canada. They make some fantastic firearms, but they do not sell into the retail market.

Nor are they guns found in the hands of criminals on the streets of Ottawa. No one is doing a drug deal with a C7 rifle, a C20 sniper rifle or Colt’s EAGLE single shot grenade launcher.

These are products designed for and sold to the Canadian military and police services across the country.

Colt produces the guns used by the guys who arrest the bad guys with guns.

But why let the truth get in the way of scaring people?

Doug Ford has expressed his frustration with judges and justices of the peace giving light sentences or letting repeat violent gun offenders out on bail for years now. This isn’t a new thing for him, he’s been saying this since before he was elected premier.

But now that he’s appointed two people who used to work with him, and who agree with his judicial philosophy, to the panel that screens judges and the Liberals, the NDP and much of the media are losing their collectivist little minds.

Why?

It’s not because Liberals don’t appoint like-minded people when they are in office, it’s that they do it and claim they are all being non-partisan and neutral when in reality, they aren’t. Ford is being upfront in what he wants.

“I’m proud to go out there and tell the people who are seeing violence in their homes, violence on the streets, violence in our subways, that we’re going to get judges that are actually going to keep these criminals in jail,” Ford said in response to Blais’ bizarre question.

Ask the public what they care about, it isn’t lobbyists, it’s keeping criminals behind bars. That’s something Blais’ Liberal Party has been against for years.

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/lilley-liberals-at-queen-s-park-show-ignorance-on-guns-and-justice/ar-BB1jvKzL

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The most fulsome & comprehensive overview of what C 21 does legislatively

https://lop.parl.ca/sites/PublicWebsite/default/en_CA/ResearchPublications/LegislativeSummaries/441C21E

Legislative Summary of Bill C-21: An Act to Amend Certain Acts and to Make Certain Consequential Amendments (Firearms)

Contents

1 Background

1.1 Canadian Firearms Framework

1.2 Regulations

2 Description and Analysis

2.1 Criminal Code (Clauses 1 to 14.2)

2.1.1 Prohibited Firearms (Clauses 1(1), 1(2), 1(6) and 14.2)

2.1.2 Replica Firearms (Clause 1(4))

2.1.3 Firearm Parts (Clause 1(5))

2.1.4 Offence: Possessing or Distributing Computer Data (Clause 1.4)

2.1.5 Offence: Altering Cartridge Magazine (Clauses 2 and 3)

2.1.6 Interception of Private Communications (Clause 13)

2.1.7 Emergency Prohibition Orders (Clauses 4 and 6)

2.1.8 Emergency Limitations on Access Orders (Clauses 10 and 11)

2.1.9 Public Officers (Clause 12)

2.1.10 Maximum Penalties (Clause 14)

2.2 Firearms Act (Clauses 15 to 48)

2.2.1 Cartridge Magazines

2.2.2 Revocation of Licence in the Event of a Protection Order or Domestic Violence (Clauses 15, 16, 36, 38(1) and 41 and 45)

2.2.3 Temporary Storage of Firearms When Dealing with a Mental Illness or Similar Issue (Clause 18)

2.2.4 Handguns

2.2.4.1 Registration Certificate and Transportation of Handguns from a Port of Entry (Clauses 17, 19 and 43)

2.2.5 Transfer of Handguns (Clauses 21 to 23 and 25)

2.2.6 Importation of Ammunition, Firearm Parts and Cartridge Magazines (Clause 26)

2.2.7 Licences, Authorizations to Carry and Authorizations to Transport (Clauses 27 to 29, 32, 33 and 35)

2.2.7.1 Lawful Profession or Occupation

2.2.7.2 Protection of Life

2.2.8 Suspension of Licence (Clauses 34 and 35)

2.2.9 Reference to Provincial Court Judge (referral) (Clause 37)

2.2.10 Disclosure of Information (Clause 39)

2.2.11 Report to the Federal Minister (Clause 42)

2.2.12 Advertising (Clause 44)

2.3 Nuclear Safety and Control Act (Clauses 49 to 51)

2.3.1 High-Security Sites and Nuclear Security Officers (Clauses 49 and 50)

2.3.2 Regulations (Clause 51)

2.4 Immigration and Refugee Protection Act (Clauses 52 to 63)

2.4.1 Transborder Criminality (Clauses 52, 53 and 55 to 57)

2.5 Rights of Indigenous Peoples

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Repeal Gun Bans. Cancel 'Buyback.' Fire 'Useless Consultants'

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=geuL3j0F_74

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Things are Getting VERY Dangerous

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2I12XJS7v4

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Another central plank of Trudeau’s gun control policy is the Order-in-Council (OIC) of May 2020 in which some 1,500 types of semi-automatic long guns were declared to be prohibited firearms. It was at that time Trudeau stated, “You don’t need an AR-15 to take down a deer” — except when the government says so. Fast forward to December 2023 and Sidney Island off the BC coast, where it seems you do need an AR-15 to take down a deer. Not only AR-15s, but Americans with AR-15s, 30-round magazines, suppressors and helicopters to shoot 84 deer at a cost of $10, 000 per deer.

Parks Canada defends $10,000 per deer expense on Sydney Island

Environment Minister Steven Guilbeault has defended the price tag of $10,000 per kill in Parks Canada’s eradication of fallow deer on BC’s Sydney Island, saying Canadian hunters aren’t skilled enough to do the job safely or effectively.

Documents from an order paper question reveal Guilbeault stating that Parks Canada has spent just under $800,000 in 2023 in its eradication project, where non-native fallow deer from Europe have trampled the local ecosystem on the island that’s home to just 50 residents.

To date, the eradication team contracted out by Parks Canada to Coastal Conservation has killed 84 deer, meaning that the 2023 cost per deer has been roughly $10,000 per.

Moreover, while $800,000 was spent in 2023, Parks Canada gave a $5.4 million contract to Coastal Conservation to complete the project between 2022 – 2025.

The Climate Change Minister stated that there are somewhere between 300 – 900 deer remaining on the island.
Cost per deer scrutinized

The cost per killed deer became known in December of last year. Critics questioned why the government wouldn’t just contract out Canadian hunters for the job, some of whom expressed shock at how much the feds were spending.

Guilbeault’s response on Tuesday stated that Parks Canada didn’t bother to do a financial benefit analysis involving Canadian hunters for the operation, because “the operation is an eradication and not a cull.”

“Marksmen with a) extensive experience in deer eradications and b) a well-established safety record or marksmanship in semi-urban environments are necessary for the operation to be completed safely and effectively,” he stated.

Guilbeault added: “Recreational hunters have been hunting fallow deer on private lands on Sidney Island since 1981, including paid and professional culls. Despite removing almost 15,000 deer, the population continually rebounds.”

He further said that the eradication project will resume in the fall of 2024 and spring of 2025 when he expects the job to be successfully completed.

The fallow deer have flourished on Sidney Island since being introduced in the early 1900s by European pioneers. Sidney Island is about 9 square km in size.

The Coastal Conservation eradication team is taking out the deer through aerial shooting using CZ Bren 2 .223 calibre firearms.

“The firearm used is restricted (not prohibited) in Canada and was legal for this purpose under the Firearms Business License issued by the RCMP to the contractor,” Guilbeault’s response reads.

https://thecountersignal.com/parks-canada-defends-10000-per-deer-expense-on-sydney-island/

Proving once again just how incredibly DENSE this "minister" really is...

While the rifles themselves are currently "restricted", their magazines and suppressors are all actually "prohibited".
The number of deer both blacktails & fallows on the Island are actually estimated between 100 and 175 at this point.
As is the case with most of what this government touches, this too is certainly Not Worth The Cost!

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Ottawa has already spent $42M on a Liberal gun 'buyback' that still doesn't exist

Launched in 2020 and now lagging years behind schedule, Canada's efforts to reform firearms policy have borne little fruit

OTTAWA — Four years after the Trudeau Liberals announced sweeping changes to Canada’s gun laws, the government has so far spent $42 million on a federal firearms confiscation program that doesn’t yet exist.

In a response to an order paper question filed by Sen. Don Plett in September, Public Safety Canada revealed that $41,904,556 has been spent so far on the government’s “firearms buyback program,” and that 60 department employees are working on the project.

In a response to an order paper question filed by Sen. Don Plett in September, Public Safety Canada revealed that $41,904,556 has been spent so far on the government’s “firearms buyback program,” and that 60 department employees are working on the project.

“This is a boondoggle, and it hasn’t even begun,” Plett said Friday during the Senate question period, directing his question at government representative Sen. Marc Gold.

“How can your government have spent $42 million on this, when not a single firearm has been bought back?”

The documents also reveal that IBM has been awarded a $2.27-million contract to develop, design and implement the program.

That figure is nearly double what that contract was worth when Public Safety Canada announced the firm’s involvement in the program in 2020.

In the documents, the RCMP say it is managing a team of 15 full-time employees devoted to the gun grab.

As well, Service Canada has assigned two employees to the program, and a response from Public Services and Procurement Canada said it has devoted “the equivalent of 5.825 full-time employees” to the project.

Last April, the federal government commenced the first phase of the program by entering into a $700,000 agreement with the Canadian Sporting Arms and Ammunition Association to confiscate so-called “assault rifles” from retailers.

That program is expected to start later this year.

Work on phase two, which involves confiscating legally purchased firearms from their licensed owners, began earlier this year.

The government issued an invitation to qualify earlier this year, seeking vendors interested in collecting and destroying the over 1,500 gun models summarily banned by the federal government under the May 1, 2020 order-in-council.

That order-in-council instantly reclassified around 1,500 popular firearm models to prohibited status, including so-called “military-style” or “assault” firearms.

Initially meant to happen by April 2022, amnesty for licensed owners was extended until Oct. 23, 2023, and again until 2025.

The government estimates that between 10,000 and 15,000 newly prohibited firearms are in the hands of Canadian businesses, and anywhere between 125,000 to 200,000 are owned by licensed individuals.

“These estimates could vary as the number of affected non-restricted firearms is unknown,” the invitation remarked.

As many crime guns are committed with prohibited firearms smuggled into Canada from the United States — and therefore unlawful for Canadian licence-holders to own — critics say the government is preoccupying itself with an expensive program whose impact on Canada’s crime epidemic will be negligible.

National Post contacted Public Safety Canada for comment but has yet to receive a response.

Firearms policy researcher Tim Thurley said that with such an unprecedented program, there’s no question it will be expensive.

“Consider, for example, the logistics of confiscating firearms in rural and remote areas, where some of these firearms — such as the Ruger Mini-14 — were widely used by hunters, farmers and recreational or competitive sport shooters,” he said.

“Expect the costs to climb significantly further as the business and personal stages of the program are implemented and as more firearms are prohibited.”

He said he expects the cost to stretch into the billions.

Simon Fraser University Professor Gary Mauser said that nearly $42 million is a lot of money to spend for what he said amounts to “grandstanding” by the federal government.

“Ottawa is not having much success with their efforts on this file,” he said.

“Ontario has refused to co-operate with future confiscations. Saskatchewan has asked to join the appeal. Requests for co-operating organizations have fallen flat.”

The fact that the now-banned guns sat safely with their owners without incident for the past four years suggests the 2020 bans — enacted after the 2020 mass shooting in Nova Scotia — were introduced for reasons other than just public safety, Mauser said.

Last October, National Post learned Quebec-based anti-gun group PolySeSouvient was so angry that mandatory confiscation wasn’t part of the government’s gun control scheme it disinvited Prime Minister Justin Trudeau from future commemorations of the 1989 École Polytechnique shooting.

The government added a confiscation program later that year.

Questions are still swirling around Parliament Hill over how much the confiscation will ultimately cost taxpayers.

Government documents obtained by National Post say costs could reach as high as $2 billion, far greater than election promises suggesting the program would only cost between $400 million and $600 million.

Tracey Wilson, spokesperson for the Canadian Coalition for Firearm Rights (CFFR), told National Post that skyrocketing costs so far don’t bode well for the program’s future.

“Not only has not a single firearm been confiscated, the program itself doesn’t even exist — not even for willing retailers anxious to off-load unsellable inventory,” she said.

“The whole premise of the 2020 gun ban was that these firearms, previously approved for sporting and hunting purposes by the RCMP lab, were simply too dangerous to own. Yet four years later, they are all exactly where they’ve been for decades, if not generations — in the gun safes of licensed, RCMP-vetted gun owners.”

https://nationalpost.com/news/42-million-federal-firearms-confiscation-program

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Trudeau’s Gun Buyback SCAM Horribly BACKFIRES!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ds5Yxx2TKyQ

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The Alberta Roundup | Smith sticks it to the feds on gun rights

This week on the Alberta Roundup with Rachel Emmanuel, Rachel explains Alberta Premier Danielle Smith’s positive take on the federal government’s wasteful $42 million gun buyback program which has yet to confiscate a single gun.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRDZ1KZy8xc

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10.67 In February 2001, the Department told the Government it had wanted to focus on the minority of firearms owners that posed a high risk while minimizing the impact on the overwhelming majority of law-abiding owners.

However, the Department concluded that this did not happen. Rather, it stated that the Program’s focus had changed from high risk firearms owners to excessive regulation and enforcement of controls over all owners and their firearms.

The Department concluded that, as a result, the Program had become overly complex and very costly to deliver, and that it had become difficult for owners to comply with the Program.

10.68 The Department said the excessive regulation had occurred because some of its Program partners believed that

• the use of firearms is in itself a “questionable activity” that required strong controls, and

• there should be a zero-tolerance attitude toward non-compliance with the Firearms Act.

https://publications.gc.ca/collections/collection_2012/bvg-oag/FA1-2002-2-18-eng.pdf

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'The costs have ballooned': Liberal government failed to anticipate difficulty of gun 'buyback,' association says

'The way the regulation was drafted, it was rushed through as an order-in-council and done in such a poor manner, it'll cause issues for the buyback down the road'

OTTAWA — The organization tasked with helping retailers navigate the Trudeau Liberals’ mandatory gun “buyback” says the government has bitten off far more than it can chew and is now discovering the difficulty with the sheer volume of items it may have to expropriate.

Wes Winkel, president of the Canadian Sporting Arms and Ammunition Association (CSAAA), said the government apparently didn’t anticipate that its ban on “assault-style” firearms involved a massive number of parts and accessories that could be captured by the buyback’s planned expropriation, which will require gun owners and retailers holding inventory of those items to be compensated.

The amnesty on banned guns is set to expire at the end of October 2025, presuming a buyback regime is in place by then to provide owners and retailers compensation for their seized weapons. But Winkel expects the process is turning out to be much more complicated and much more expensive than the federal government anticipated.

Internal government documents obtained last year through an access-to-information request showed the cost of the program, which the Liberals had promised would be between $400 million and $600 million, had ballooned to $2 billion.

Last month, National Post reported that the government had spent $42 million on setting up the buyback already, even though it still doesn’t exist.

“The costs have ballooned on the administration side,” Winkel said. “They’ve used up so much budget already, and they still haven’t bought anything.”

https://nationalpost.com/news/politics/government-realizing-gun-buyback-isnt-simple-cheap