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C-21 has received Royal Assent, and what that means for you

C-21 received Royal Assent a couple weeks ago, just before Christmas. This is a video breaking down the big changes PAL holders are likely to experience as well as to correct a lot of the misinformation which is out there on this topic.

Coming into Force: This bill has received Royal Assent but it has NOT yet come into force (as of Jan 4th, 2024). Coming into force is still TBA with the exception of three provisions for new/modified criminal offences which come into force 30 days after December 15th. These three offences are for altering a cartridge magazine, possession/distribution of computer data pertaining to a firearm, and unlawful manufacturing of a firearm.

See the full text of the bill here:

https://www.parl.ca/DocumentViewer/en...

Acronyms:

OIC: Order In Council
This is effectively a unilateral change to a law without the need for the legislative process.

CFP: Canadian Firearms Program
This is the Federal firearms licensing body of the Canadian Government

CFO: Chief Firearms Officer
This is the Provincial firearms licensing body of their respective provincial Governments

CFAC: Canadian Firearms Advisory Committee
This is a reconstituted Federally appointed committee whose job it will be to submit recommendations to the governor in council regarding actions of future firearms bans. This committee was brought back after significant political pressure was put on the Liberal Government as a result of unilateral unfairness towards firearms owners inherent with the OIC process. To combat this, the federal government decided to bring back their "impartial" and "non-partisan" committee in order to make these decisions for them. This "non-partisan" group consists of, but not limited to, members of the gun control lobby, women's advocacy groups, law enforcement, indigenous communities leaders and are hand picked by Trudeau or the sitting liberal Public Safety Minister. I did not use this term in the video, but this group will be behind most/all of the future OIC's coming to Canada for the rest of the liberal government's reign.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxWECckhXSM
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Is Statistics Canada Lying to Canadians about Gun Control?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RarxwxAsDAc
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Bill C-21 will hardly bother gun-toting criminals

The year 2023 proved to be a contentious year for gun control in Canada. After much acrimony in both the House of Commons and the Senate, Bill C-21 was finally passed unamended, and received Royal Assent shortly before Christmas.

Whether or not this is to be considered a good thing depends on where one sits in the Canadian gun control debate.

C-21 ushered in a huge, sweeping net of laws and regulations. For the proponents of gun control in Canada — Polysesouvient, Doctors for Protection Against Guns and the Coalition for Gun Control — C-21 is largely satisfactory, as well it should be as in its essence. It is a shopping list of their sundry gun control demands of the Trudeau government.

Nevertheless, they have not been shy in stating that it does not mark the end of their demands. On the other side of the issue, groups such as the Canadian Coalition for Firearms Rights, the National Firearms Association and various provincial hunting/sportsmen’s organizations have been steadfast in their opposition to C-21. They claim it will do very little in terms of combatting crime committed with firearms while further hobbling the firearms/hunting industry in Canada and burdening legal gun owners with yet more pointless layers of red tape and bureaucracy.
Bill exploits voter ignorance

Gun control in Canada is one of those strange policy realms in which people can be considered as knowledgeable or pretty much in the dark. C-21 was crafted by people who should be knowledgeable to appeal to those in the latter group. As such, it has several elements that exploit any lack of knowledge of Canada’s gun control regime. For instance, so called “red” and “yellow flag laws”.

Another central plank of Trudeau’s gun control policy is the Order-in-Council (OIC) of May 2020 in which some 1,500 types of semi-automatic long guns were declared to be prohibited firearms. It was at that time Trudeau stated, “You don’t need an AR-15 to take down a deer” — except when the government says so. Fast forward to December 2023 and Sidney Island off the BC coast, where it seems you do need an AR-15 to take down a deer. Not only AR-15s, but Americans with AR-15s, 30-round magazines, suppressors and helicopters to shoot 84 deer at a cost of $10, 000 per deer.

The Trudeau government found it necessary to use semi-automatic rifles with 30-round magazines for small deer in coastal BC, but at the same time it wants to tell an elderly Inuit hunter out on the ice with his family that his old lever action rifle, chambered in a cartridge adequate for deer and caribou but unsuited to emergency use on polar bears, save for its magazine capacity, must handicap himself further and endanger their lives by having that magazine capacity reduced from seven or eight cartridges to five.

And all for the sake of satisfying gun control advocates in downtown Montreal. For despite Public Safety, Democratic Institutions and Intergovernmental Affairs Minister Dominic LeBlanc’s assurances that First Nations people such as this hypothetical Inuit hunter were adequately consulted and happy with his government’s gun control regime, including C21, what became evident during the various hearings was that this was, in fact, not the case.

All in all, C-21 provides very little substance in the way of preventing crimes with firearms. It is overly bureaucratic and restrictive towards those who willingly follow the rules of Canada’s already stringent firearms law regime, while doing very little to deter those who flout those same rules to commit crimes.

In the end, C-21 is simply a sop to those who know little about Canadian gun laws, designed for the appearance of a government getting tough on thugs with guns, while it merely turns the screws ever tighter on those who have always played by the rules.

https://www.sudbury.com/columns/the-soapbox/the-soapbox-bill-c-21-will-hardly-bother-gun-toting-criminals-8095313
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Trudeau Bans Legal Guns, Leaves Border Open to Traffickers

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MVxOIhLd4DQ
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And once again NO interest nor responses to date.
Round three on this one.
Watch for the impending extension coming soon...

Feds begin search for vendors to operate firearm confiscation program

OTTAWA – The federal government has begun searching for vendors interested in managing their impending firearms confiscation program just weeks after the Trudeau Liberals’ gun legislation became law and nearly four years after their contentious ban on so-called “assault weapons.”


https://nationalpost.com/news/politics/feds-begin-search-vendors-operate-firearm-confiscation-program
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New gun controls will only stifle legal gun owners

At the same time, Bill C-21 hardly bothers the criminal element

Last year proved to be a contentious year for gun control in Canada. After much acrimony in both the Commons and the Senate, Bill C-21 was finally passed unamended, and received Royal Assent shortly before Christmas. Whether this is to be considered a good thing depends on where one sits in the Canadian gun control debate.

C-21 ushered in a huge, sweeping net of laws and regulations. For the proponents of gun control in Canada; Polysesouvient, Doctors for Protection Against Guns and The Coalition for Gun Control, C-21 is largely satisfactory, as well it should be as in its essence. It is a shopping list of their sundry gun control demands of the Trudeau government. Nevertheless, they have not been shy in stating that it does not mark the end of their demands.

On the other side of the issue, groups such as the Canadian Coalition for Firearms Rights, the National Firearms Association and provincial hunting/sportsmen’s organizations have been steadfast in their opposition to C-21. They claim it will do very little in terms of combatting crime committed with firearms while further hobbling the firearms/hunting industry in Canada and burdening legal gun owners with yet more pointless layers of red tape and bureaucracy.

Making gun owners criminals

C-21 is similarly problematic when it comes to popular semi-automatic firearms; but only if you are a legal gun owner who has meticulously obeyed the law.

Despite Minister Dominic LeBlanc’s assurances that First Nations people, such as this hypothetical Inuit hunter, were adequately consulted and happy with his government’s gun control regime, including C-21, what became evident during the various hearings was that this was, in fact, not the case.

All in all, C-21 provides very little substance in the way of preventing crimes with firearms. It is overly bureaucratic and restrictive towards those who willingly follow the rules of Canada’s already stringent firearms law regime while doing very little to deter those who flout those same rules to commit crimes.

In short, there is nothing in C-21 that would have prevented people like the Nova Scotia mass killer from being able to carry out his rampage, despite what the Trudeau Liberals and their supporters would have one believe. The firearms used in that tragedy were all illegally obtained. Nothing in C-21 would prevent the same thing from happening again. In fact, all the laws needed to prevent that tragedy from occurring are already in place. What was needed to prevent it was the enforcement of existing laws, not the creation of additional laws to make obtaining illegal firearms and murder with those illegal firearms doubly illegal.

In the end, C-21 is simply a sop to those who know little about Canadian gun laws. It’s designed for the appearance of the government getting tough on thugs with guns while it merely turns the screws ever tighter on those who have always played by the rules.

https://www.thesudburystar.com/opinion/columnists/sudbury-column-new-gun-controls-will-only-stifle-legal-gun-owners
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Very Interesting Read on The Gun Blog:

Poilievre Pledges New Law to Block Arbitrary Gun Bans Via OIC


TheGunBlog.ca — Pierre Poilievre, the leading candidate to become Canada’s next prime minister, pledged to pass a new law to prevent politicians from ordering arbitrary firearm prohibitions that criminalize honest citizens.

Why It Matters

This is the first time TheGunBlog.ca is aware of Poilievre saying he intends to change important sections of Canada’s anti-gun legislation.

Poilievre is consistently and repeatedly speaking up for gun users, in contrast to Trudeau who consistently and repeatedly acts to suppress, harass, and criminalize them.

Today’s video suggests Poilievre suggests he would change Criminal Code Section 84(1), which defines the three arbitrary firearm classes, and Section 117.15, which the Liberals use for their arbitrary crackdowns.

https://thegunblog.ca/2024/01/26/poilievre-pledges-new-law-to-block-arbitrary-gun-bans-via-oic/
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What Do Cops Really Think of Us?

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From the NFA Facebook, Instagram:

BREAKING NEWS: ONTARIO OPTS OUT
Only hours ago, during a lobby meeting with the solicitor general of Ontario, the honourable Michael Kerzner assured our in-house lobbyist that, should the Liberal/NDP scheme for a ' firearms buyback' come to fruition (in reality, the confiscation of legal property with little to no compensation), the Doug Ford provincial government would be unwilling to divert provincial resources to the effort. This would be a major roadblock in the Liberal/NDP Coalition's ideologically driven initiative against legal, law-abiding firearms owners.

Thank you, Ontario!

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IronNoggin wrote:
Sun Feb 04, 2024 7:20 pm
From the NFA Facebook, Instagram:

BREAKING NEWS: ONTARIO OPTS OUT
Only hours ago, during a lobby meeting with the solicitor general of Ontario, the honourable Michael Kerzner assured our in-house lobbyist that, should the Liberal/NDP scheme for a ' firearms buyback' come to fruition (in reality, the confiscation of legal property with little to no compensation), the Doug Ford provincial government would be unwilling to divert provincial resources to the effort. This would be a major roadblock in the Liberal/NDP Coalition's ideologically driven initiative against legal, law-abiding firearms owners.

Thank you, Ontario!

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Carnivorous wrote:
Mon Feb 05, 2024 7:27 am
Finally!
Yep. Between the other provinces & territories saying NO, we needed Ontario to cinch the deal.
Damn happy they finally woke up!!

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Home / News / Saskatchewan Aims to Join Court Appeal to Stop Liberal Gun Confiscations
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Saskatchewan Aims to Join Court Appeal to Stop Liberal Gun Confiscations
5 Feb 2024
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TheGunBlog.ca — Saskatchewan said today it’s applying to join the Federal Court of Appeal case against the Liberal Party of Canada’s mass gun confiscations targeting honest citizens.

It’s the first province to publicly support the appeal by four groups of firearm users arguing the crackdown is unjustified, unlawful, and unconstitutional.
The appeal aims to nullify the Liberal attack order of 01 May 2020 that criminalized hundreds of thousands of government-licensed gun owners and ordered them to surrender their property.
It follows a Federal Court loss in October.
Administrative and Constitutional Grounds
”We believe in the merits of this case on administrative and constitutional grounds,” Saskatchewan Justice Minister and Attorney General Bronwyn Eyre said in a statement.

Alberta Expected to Join Appeal
Alberta backed the initial court cases and may apply to join the appeal.

Alberta and Saskatchewan both passed laws to block the federal confiscation effort.
Ontario, Manitoba, Yukon, Northwest Territories, and other provinces also oppose — or at least don’t support — the Liberal attacks.
It’s unfortunate that other provinces won’t stand up for their citizens and for fundamental principles of justice.
Generoux: First Time for Self-Rep?
“This is super exciting for me,” said Christine Generoux, who is representing herself and two others in the appeal. “This may be the first time in history that a self-rep has been joined by two provincial attorneys general.”

The four appeals are consolidated under Federal Court of Appeal file A-327-23, led by the Canadian Coalition for Firearm Rights (CCFR).

‘Saskatchewan Is Firm in Its Opposition’
“Saskatchewan is firm in its opposition to the federal firearms ban, which unfairly targets law-abiding firearms owners and will have little impact on firearms-related crime,” Corrections, Policing and Public Safety Minister Paul Merriman said in the statement. “We believe in taking tangible action, such as the measures included in The Saskatchewan Firearms Act and our ongoing investment in the Saskatchewan Firearms Office, to increase responsible firearms safety in our province.”

Ontario Won’t Divert Police to Attacks, NFA Says
Separately, Canada’s National Firearms Association said today, citing Ontario’s Solicitor General, that the country’s largest province is “unwilling to divert provincial resources” to the Liberal confiscation effort.
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Good for you Canada. NEVER give up your guns. :clap:
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https://panow.com/2024/02/05/sask-government-wanting-to-take-part-in-legal-challenges-against-federal-firearms-ban/

This is a very interesting read!
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