OT: Canadain Firearm Buy Back Program
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Much of it is about PolySeSouvient and their lobbying as well as their political donations. It costs money to stay in power and to fear monger.
Some people just like stepping on rakes
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Trudeau plays politics again with gun ban
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5O2ZA4COAXs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5O2ZA4COAXs
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Alberta Chief Firearms Officer Bryant and Saskatchewan CFO Freberg on Bill C 21 at Senate SECD
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wyfBhIDdvk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wyfBhIDdvk
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Christian Leuprecht Speaks to Senate Committee on Bill C-21 (25 October 2023)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FLYgeS8xl04
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FLYgeS8xl04
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Federal Court upholds OIC Gan Ban
In a decision announced today by Justice Kane of the Federal Court, she ruled the OIC is upheld.
https://firearmrights.ca/federal-court-upholds-oic-gan-ban/
In a decision announced today by Justice Kane of the Federal Court, she ruled the OIC is upheld.
https://firearmrights.ca/federal-court-upholds-oic-gan-ban/
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Property rights at risk with court dismissal of landmark firearms ban challenge
A Federal Court justice dismissed all claims made by the Canadian Coalition for Firearm Rights (CCFR) and other applicants in their landmark case against the Canadian government’s gun control policy.
Justice Catherine Kane’s ruling also extends to the general property rights of Canadians, say critics.
Justice Kane’s assertion that the government does not owe procedural fairness to Canadians in such matters is alarming. It sets a potentially dangerous precedent where the government might circumvent due procedures to enforce their will, suggested Giltaca.
It may be left to the court of public opinion in the next election, according to Wilson.
“Canadians will have a choice to make: a government that will spend billions of their tax dollars attacking licensed, vetted RCMP-approved firearms owners, or a government that will craft and employ serious policy to reduce crime, violence, and gun smuggling. Either they want more division and debt, or they want a safer country,” she said.
https://tnc.news/2023/10/30/property-rights-at-risk-firearms-challenge/
A Federal Court justice dismissed all claims made by the Canadian Coalition for Firearm Rights (CCFR) and other applicants in their landmark case against the Canadian government’s gun control policy.
Justice Catherine Kane’s ruling also extends to the general property rights of Canadians, say critics.
Justice Kane’s assertion that the government does not owe procedural fairness to Canadians in such matters is alarming. It sets a potentially dangerous precedent where the government might circumvent due procedures to enforce their will, suggested Giltaca.
It may be left to the court of public opinion in the next election, according to Wilson.
“Canadians will have a choice to make: a government that will spend billions of their tax dollars attacking licensed, vetted RCMP-approved firearms owners, or a government that will craft and employ serious policy to reduce crime, violence, and gun smuggling. Either they want more division and debt, or they want a safer country,” she said.
https://tnc.news/2023/10/30/property-rights-at-risk-firearms-challenge/
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CCFR Comment on Federal Court Decision - CCFR v Canada
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7H8S96Lkpw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7H8S96Lkpw
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Press Release: CCFR to File Appeal in Federal Court Case (Nov. 2, 2023)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEZU6pbgZNc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEZU6pbgZNc
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Senator accuses public safety minister of 'disinformation' over gun control bill
Dominic LeBlanc told a Senate committee that firearms groups didn't oppose the Liberals' Bill C-21
OTTAWA — A Canadian senator accused Public Safety Minister Dominic LeBlanc of providing “disinformation” to a Senate committee last month during a meeting on a contentious firearms control bill.
During deliberations Thursday over Bill C-21, Manitoba Sen. Don Plett took aim at remarks made during a previous committee appearance by the public safety minister, who told senators that hunting and sporting groups, among others, were in favour of the government’s legislation.
“I don’t think that Indigenous peoples were at large opposed with this bill, and I don’t think hunters or sports groups oppose this legislation,” LeBlanc told senators during the meeting.
During Thursday’s meeting, Plett asked representatives of three hunting and sport shooting associations if they knew of such support for the bill, and if C-21 was likewise supported by their members.
“I do not know of any sporting organizations that support this legislation,” replied Eric Schroff, executive director of the Yukon Fish and Game Association.
When asked if he knew of any hunters or sport shooters who supported C-21, Schroff responded “not that I’m aware of.”
Marc Renaud, president of the Fédération québécoise des chasseurs et pêcheurs (Quebec federation of hunters and fishermen) gave a similar answer.
“In Quebec, our federation is aware of no organization that supports this very restrictive bill, be it sports clubs, hunters, our members,” he said in French.
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Gilbert White of the 33,000-member Saskatchewan Wildlife Association told Plett that he concurred with both Renaud and Schroff.
“Senator (Stan) Kutcher is citing disinformation here quite often,” Plett said in response.
“I would suggest the height of disinformation here is what the minister has been telling us.
https://nationalpost.com/news/politics/senator-accuses-public-safety-minister-of-disinformation
Dominic LeBlanc told a Senate committee that firearms groups didn't oppose the Liberals' Bill C-21
OTTAWA — A Canadian senator accused Public Safety Minister Dominic LeBlanc of providing “disinformation” to a Senate committee last month during a meeting on a contentious firearms control bill.
During deliberations Thursday over Bill C-21, Manitoba Sen. Don Plett took aim at remarks made during a previous committee appearance by the public safety minister, who told senators that hunting and sporting groups, among others, were in favour of the government’s legislation.
“I don’t think that Indigenous peoples were at large opposed with this bill, and I don’t think hunters or sports groups oppose this legislation,” LeBlanc told senators during the meeting.
During Thursday’s meeting, Plett asked representatives of three hunting and sport shooting associations if they knew of such support for the bill, and if C-21 was likewise supported by their members.
“I do not know of any sporting organizations that support this legislation,” replied Eric Schroff, executive director of the Yukon Fish and Game Association.
When asked if he knew of any hunters or sport shooters who supported C-21, Schroff responded “not that I’m aware of.”
Marc Renaud, president of the Fédération québécoise des chasseurs et pêcheurs (Quebec federation of hunters and fishermen) gave a similar answer.
“In Quebec, our federation is aware of no organization that supports this very restrictive bill, be it sports clubs, hunters, our members,” he said in French.
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Gilbert White of the 33,000-member Saskatchewan Wildlife Association told Plett that he concurred with both Renaud and Schroff.
“Senator (Stan) Kutcher is citing disinformation here quite often,” Plett said in response.
“I would suggest the height of disinformation here is what the minister has been telling us.
https://nationalpost.com/news/politics/senator-accuses-public-safety-minister-of-disinformation
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NFA President Defends Firearms Owners in Senate
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nd71THzUIn0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nd71THzUIn0
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Liberals Asked Federal Court to Order Gun Owners to Pay Government’s Legal Bill
Canada’s governing Liberal Party asked the Federal Court to order gun owners to pay part of the government’s legal bills in the cases to stop the firearm confiscations begun in May 2020.
After Justice Catherine Kane’s ruling of October 30 said the Liberals didn’t seek compensation for their court costs, their lawyers told the court that’s incorrect and asked Kane to review the file, Edward Burlew, a lawyer for one of the challengers, told TheGunBlog.ca today.
‘Calculated to Put Ice in Your Veins’
“This is calculated to put ice in your veins if you are thinking of suing the federal government in federal court about your gun rights or property rights,” said Burlew, who represented John Hipwell.
Tracey Wilson, the vice president of public relations for the Canadian Coalition for Firearm Rights (CCFR), said the costs are “likely in the tens of thousands” of dollars, split across the six cases.
The government also appears to want to discourage applicants preparing to appeal Kane’s ruling that upheld the forced rifle and shotgun seizures. Christine Generoux and the CCFR said last week they will appeal.
CCFR Will Pursue Appeal: ‘Let’s Dance’
https://thegunblog.ca/2023/11/09/liberals-asked-federal-court-to-order-gun-owners-to-pay-governments-legal-bill/
Canada’s governing Liberal Party asked the Federal Court to order gun owners to pay part of the government’s legal bills in the cases to stop the firearm confiscations begun in May 2020.
After Justice Catherine Kane’s ruling of October 30 said the Liberals didn’t seek compensation for their court costs, their lawyers told the court that’s incorrect and asked Kane to review the file, Edward Burlew, a lawyer for one of the challengers, told TheGunBlog.ca today.
‘Calculated to Put Ice in Your Veins’
“This is calculated to put ice in your veins if you are thinking of suing the federal government in federal court about your gun rights or property rights,” said Burlew, who represented John Hipwell.
Tracey Wilson, the vice president of public relations for the Canadian Coalition for Firearm Rights (CCFR), said the costs are “likely in the tens of thousands” of dollars, split across the six cases.
The government also appears to want to discourage applicants preparing to appeal Kane’s ruling that upheld the forced rifle and shotgun seizures. Christine Generoux and the CCFR said last week they will appeal.
CCFR Will Pursue Appeal: ‘Let’s Dance’
https://thegunblog.ca/2023/11/09/liberals-asked-federal-court-to-order-gun-owners-to-pay-governments-legal-bill/
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Tony Bernardo at SECD 'Clearly, this 30-year-old approach doesn't work'
Nov 9 2023
Ottawa, Ontario
by CSSA E-News
On Monday, November 6, CSSA Executive Director Tony Bernardo addressed Bill C-21 before the Standing Senate Committee on National Security, Defence and Veterans Affairs (SECD).
“You have been listening to firearms experts and they have told you the problem and have given you the science to reduce gun crime. What I don't understand is why is the government not listening to them?” Bernardo asked.
"Why is this government directing its efforts against the law abiding, as opposed to directing them against the criminal misuse of these objects?”
“It seems clear the government is engaged in a witch hunt against millions of lawful Canadian citizens, yet expert after expert have told you the same things, from Marcell Wilson to the former OPP Chief Chris Lewis, [Bill] C-21 will not stop or lessen gun crime and is totally focused on the law abiding.”
“Clearly, this 30-year-old approach doesn't work.”
Last week, Marcell Wilson, a former gang member, a former international crime figure and founder of The One By One Movement[ii], said the same thing.[iii]
“What I am asking from the government, on behalf of the Canadian communities we represent, is to simply say it like it is,” Mr. Wilson said.
“This bill is to remove legal firearms from legal firearm owners, not to prevent violence or make our country significantly safer. Please stop exploiting people who have already been through enough for a political agenda.”
Former OPP Chief Chris Lewis was equally clear that Bill C-21 is focused on the wrong target in an interview with CTV News.[iv]
“The people who are using guns aren't the lawful owners that have registered guns and have had the background checks, have been trained and safely store them. That's not who's committing the violent crimes. It's people who are using smuggled guns from the United States. That's the vast majority of guns used in crime: handguns.”
“Adding more laws to the lawful owners isn't going to impact the criminals who don't care about laws. They commit them all [crimes], including murder,” he said.
“Banning lawfully owned handguns is not going to solve the problem,” Lewis said.
As questioning continued, Senator Donna Dasko tried to suggest that gun owners who don’t own handguns are okay with the government seizing and destroying them, citing stats from an Environics survey of Canadian gun owners commissioned by the Liberal government.[v]
“Canadian gun owners, as a whole, seem to support this,” said Senator Dasko. “So I'm suggesting that perhaps the members of the organizations that have come here to represent their members, but they don't represent gun owners, as a whole, in Canada.”
“Certainly handgun owners are in a minority amongst the overall community of firearms owners,” Tony Bernardo replied, “but I would also remind you that democracy is two wolves and the sheep deciding what to have for lunch.”
“We have people who have committed no crime and they have jumped through every hoop the government has laid before them,” Bernardo said.
“And now we're going to punish them because they're in a minority where the object of government, at least democratic government, is to protect minorities from intrusion.”
Government must always be seen to be doing something.
Bill C-21 is the Trudeau Liberal government’s attempt to be seen to be doing something about criminal violence.
That their something is rationally connected to preventing that violence is, it appears, entirely beside the point.
The Standing Senate Committee on National Security, Defence and Veterans Affairs hearings on Bill C-21 continue.
Sources:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-EUEXqw2VY
[ii] https://www.theonebyonemovement.com/
[iii] https://youtu.be/qYX3FHSnfIM?feature=shared&t=6889
[iv] https://www.ctvnews.ca/video?clipId=2462180
[v] https://publications.gc.ca/site/eng/9.921319/publication.html
Nov 9 2023
Ottawa, Ontario
by CSSA E-News
On Monday, November 6, CSSA Executive Director Tony Bernardo addressed Bill C-21 before the Standing Senate Committee on National Security, Defence and Veterans Affairs (SECD).
“You have been listening to firearms experts and they have told you the problem and have given you the science to reduce gun crime. What I don't understand is why is the government not listening to them?” Bernardo asked.
"Why is this government directing its efforts against the law abiding, as opposed to directing them against the criminal misuse of these objects?”
“It seems clear the government is engaged in a witch hunt against millions of lawful Canadian citizens, yet expert after expert have told you the same things, from Marcell Wilson to the former OPP Chief Chris Lewis, [Bill] C-21 will not stop or lessen gun crime and is totally focused on the law abiding.”
“Clearly, this 30-year-old approach doesn't work.”
Last week, Marcell Wilson, a former gang member, a former international crime figure and founder of The One By One Movement[ii], said the same thing.[iii]
“What I am asking from the government, on behalf of the Canadian communities we represent, is to simply say it like it is,” Mr. Wilson said.
“This bill is to remove legal firearms from legal firearm owners, not to prevent violence or make our country significantly safer. Please stop exploiting people who have already been through enough for a political agenda.”
Former OPP Chief Chris Lewis was equally clear that Bill C-21 is focused on the wrong target in an interview with CTV News.[iv]
“The people who are using guns aren't the lawful owners that have registered guns and have had the background checks, have been trained and safely store them. That's not who's committing the violent crimes. It's people who are using smuggled guns from the United States. That's the vast majority of guns used in crime: handguns.”
“Adding more laws to the lawful owners isn't going to impact the criminals who don't care about laws. They commit them all [crimes], including murder,” he said.
“Banning lawfully owned handguns is not going to solve the problem,” Lewis said.
As questioning continued, Senator Donna Dasko tried to suggest that gun owners who don’t own handguns are okay with the government seizing and destroying them, citing stats from an Environics survey of Canadian gun owners commissioned by the Liberal government.[v]
“Canadian gun owners, as a whole, seem to support this,” said Senator Dasko. “So I'm suggesting that perhaps the members of the organizations that have come here to represent their members, but they don't represent gun owners, as a whole, in Canada.”
“Certainly handgun owners are in a minority amongst the overall community of firearms owners,” Tony Bernardo replied, “but I would also remind you that democracy is two wolves and the sheep deciding what to have for lunch.”
“We have people who have committed no crime and they have jumped through every hoop the government has laid before them,” Bernardo said.
“And now we're going to punish them because they're in a minority where the object of government, at least democratic government, is to protect minorities from intrusion.”
Government must always be seen to be doing something.
Bill C-21 is the Trudeau Liberal government’s attempt to be seen to be doing something about criminal violence.
That their something is rationally connected to preventing that violence is, it appears, entirely beside the point.
The Standing Senate Committee on National Security, Defence and Veterans Affairs hearings on Bill C-21 continue.
Sources:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-EUEXqw2VY
[ii] https://www.theonebyonemovement.com/
[iii] https://youtu.be/qYX3FHSnfIM?feature=shared&t=6889
[iv] https://www.ctvnews.ca/video?clipId=2462180
[v] https://publications.gc.ca/site/eng/9.921319/publication.html
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LAWTON: Why Alberta is taking aim at Trudeau’s gun grab
Over the years, Canada has witnessed a significant shift in its firearm policies, with Justin Trudeau leading a nationwide crackdown on gun ownership. Alberta Justice Minister Mickey Amery spoke with True North’s Andrew Lawton about the profound role guns have played in shaping Alberta’s identity, and why the province is leading the fight against Trudeau’s gun grab.
https://tnc.news/2023/11/12/lawton-amery-gun-grab/
Over the years, Canada has witnessed a significant shift in its firearm policies, with Justin Trudeau leading a nationwide crackdown on gun ownership. Alberta Justice Minister Mickey Amery spoke with True North’s Andrew Lawton about the profound role guns have played in shaping Alberta’s identity, and why the province is leading the fight against Trudeau’s gun grab.
https://tnc.news/2023/11/12/lawton-amery-gun-grab/
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A Message from Blaine Calkins on Bill C-21
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJrCzeQNGps
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJrCzeQNGps
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Federal Public Safety Minister Dominic LeBlanc promises to ban high-capacity firearm magazines “that can easily be tampered with with a screwdriver in your basement.” Firearm manufacturers will simply no longer have the right to sell them, and those who own them will have to get rid of them, the minister specifies in an interview with The Press.
https://actualnewsmagazine.com/english/firearms-ottawa-to-ban-modifiable-chargers/
https://actualnewsmagazine.com/english/firearms-ottawa-to-ban-modifiable-chargers/
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