All day turkey.
All day turkey.
The Ontario MNR has announced that effective April 2005 we can hunt turkey until 7pm and have til noon the next day to register them.
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Brampton Mike
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Well I for one am against it....no need for it as the morning hunt has worked well so why change it now....hmmm wonder how many birds will be shot off the roost at night now & check in the next day...yeah right...like that is really going to happen!!!!!!!!! Like I said, I think it's a BIG mistake.....Brampton Mike 
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Hello All,
I agree with Brampton Mike, I think it is a mistake. I don't want to see all day hunting, I'll be going into year 16 next spring and I believe the birds will get very spooky. With hunters in the bush until 7, the roosting areas will get evening pressure and the birds will change their habits. Up until now the birds have had a chance to calm down in the afternoons.
If it is true that you will have until noon the next day to check your bird, if I was to shoot a bird in the early afternoon, I sure would not want to leave it until the next morning with the guts in to check it. How do you spell samanella?
Mike
I agree with Brampton Mike, I think it is a mistake. I don't want to see all day hunting, I'll be going into year 16 next spring and I believe the birds will get very spooky. With hunters in the bush until 7, the roosting areas will get evening pressure and the birds will change their habits. Up until now the birds have had a chance to calm down in the afternoons.
If it is true that you will have until noon the next day to check your bird, if I was to shoot a bird in the early afternoon, I sure would not want to leave it until the next morning with the guts in to check it. How do you spell samanella?
Mike
Hello again,
I think that the regulations state that the turkey must be brought to the check station "in tact".
I know of a guy who took a gutted bird into the ministry check station and he was sternly warned not to do it again and that the birds must be whole when brought in. I don't know if this regulation has been changed.
Mike
I think that the regulations state that the turkey must be brought to the check station "in tact".
I know of a guy who took a gutted bird into the ministry check station and he was sternly warned not to do it again and that the birds must be whole when brought in. I don't know if this regulation has been changed.
Mike
I think the new regs say that you can bring the bird to a station the next day. I'm thinking that you would have to gut the bird if you do that.fishon wrote:Hello again,
I think that the regulations state that the turkey must be brought to the check station "in tact".
I know of a guy who took a gutted bird into the ministry check station and he was sternly warned not to do it again and that the birds must be whole when brought in. I don't know if this regulation has been changed.
Mike
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Bob McNally
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I also do not agree with the full day hunt. Too many hens will be disturbed during the afternoons tending their nests.
I don't think our bird population is large enough to support the full day hunt without making birds warier than they are now.
Some hunters will just sit near the known roost site waiting for the birds to come back for the night.
Another case of the MNR not getting enough input from those who hunt
when all they really want is the almighty dollar 
I don't think our bird population is large enough to support the full day hunt without making birds warier than they are now.
Some hunters will just sit near the known roost site waiting for the birds to come back for the night.
Another case of the MNR not getting enough input from those who hunt
when all they really want is the almighty dollar I think the reason they are doing this is because they don't want an explosion of wild turkeys. At the beginning you had to stop hunting at noon so you don't disturb the hens on their nest, now they don't care.
One thing I've noticed with the MNR here in Ontario is that if there is any game that's over populating they do something to stop it such as with the coyotes and mange. I heard that they introduced mange to keep the coyote population down. Also I'm seeing a lot of possums here in Southern ontario. We never had possums. I believe the MNR released them so they can eat the turkey eggs and help keep the population down.
Last spring turkey hunting, I couldn't believe how may turkey eggs I found in their nests eaten by some animal.
One thing I've noticed with the MNR here in Ontario is that if there is any game that's over populating they do something to stop it such as with the coyotes and mange. I heard that they introduced mange to keep the coyote population down. Also I'm seeing a lot of possums here in Southern ontario. We never had possums. I believe the MNR released them so they can eat the turkey eggs and help keep the population down.
Last spring turkey hunting, I couldn't believe how may turkey eggs I found in their nests eaten by some animal.
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Adrian J Hare
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Guys welcome to the Ontario Spring Bushwacking sport.
Opinions on All Day Hunting
1/ Hens and nests , thats just a small part of this coming plan. Hens when set only leave to feed and water. Most times hens leave the nest in the am and return in the am to spend the rest on the nest. Movement in the woods will interuped the nest , but will not make a big impact on the nesting because most hens wander off away from huntable areas to nest.
2/ The PM hunt and control, we have not got the CO control to look after an afternoon hunt, they can not look after a AM hunt now. The CO in my area hunts turkeys aswell so he's scouting for his own intrest more then he's looking after what he should be in the spring season.
3/ The MNR brought into effect the 2nd bird Tag , ONLY for revenue. The population of gobblers really was not high enough to support a 2 tag system. Estimate population is 60,000 birds in Ontario , you can only count on about 30% being Gobblers the one bird we hunt.
4/ Techniques traditional to Spring Hunting will change and Bushwacking moving and calling birds will add to hunting accidents. Trespassing problems will add a high factor to this problem.
5/ Roosting times of alot of Wild Turkeys are in the 8:30PM ,A percentage of Gobblers will be taken going to the Roost.
Now the picture in the whole on afternoon hunting.
Calling is one aspect of PM hunting, but the success of Calling is alot lower then in the AM. Most US hunters that hunt in the afternoon , setup in roosting areas to work afternoon birds.
Most of these States that have afternoon hunting have a very Large population of Wild Turkeys, up too the 100,000 + mark. The wooded areas of most of these States is the same as hunting turkeys in Thunderbay area. You can walk for 5 hours in woods and never see a house or person. Wild turkeys can move for food and have different roosting sites every night.
I know that Ontario has different land lay outs and some has more wooded areas then others, but on a whole , The wooded area lots here that Wild Turkeys Roost in are small and very small compared to the US States that allow afternoon hunting. The Turkey use the same areas every night to roost and most times with very low energy put into it ,one can find roosting areas that the local populations are useing. This makes it easy for hunters to setup at roost trees and target the Toms as they move to the night time places. Most times after a bird has flown to the roost A tom will gooble a number of times before dark. A unethical hunter has no problem walking quitely up to a roosting Tom and using his or her tag in an unethical hunt.
In the US States that allow afternoon hunting wooded ares are Very large and finding everynight roosted birds in the same area is far low from here. With the higher population of birds the impact of hunting in the PM is very low. The 2 main reasons for these States that allow PM hunting, to maintain huntable flocks are 1/ Wooded rooting areas with Millions of acres of land with no housing and resident areas,,,, 2/ Wild Turkey Population , Ontario -60,000 to Texas - 600,000 birds.
The MNR has left this unethical hunting pratice wide open here in Ontario and if you don't think it happens , it sure does and very often. Alot of slob hunters don't care wether they hunt and shoot a turkey in a proper manner , all they want to do is use the tag and Blow the wind about the bird they shot, and hay everyone to there own. For the Turkey hunters that take the sport seriously, this manner only runes a quaulitly hunt for them. With the added afternoon hunt this practice will mearly add to the unethical hunting and have a greater impact on the Gobbler its self.
Most States with afternoon hunting is some of the most borring hunting I have ever encountered. With the presure of the all day hunt, gobbling activity drops off to a all time low. Working birds as most of you's like will chance in a big way , as most birds become call shy very fast do to the added presure and unethical hunting practice. The area we have here in Ontario will only add to the problem, the sport will drop off and will become a unethical sport to fill your Tags.
Keep in mined that Turkey hunting can be frustrating even thow most still like the challenge of the sport, with the added PM hunting , the sport will only become more frustrating to most hunters in Ontario. Filling tags will be far harder and the means of sneeking in on Calling birds will start to apply. This mearly only addinf a concern to safety practces. Bushwacking birds is a common practice to PM hunting resaulting in Hunting accidents.
One has to look to as why States like NY,PA, Maine, MI, Ohio, IN,NJ, Vermont and so on ,, Why do they not have a Afternoon hunt ? and most have a larger Population of birds then Ontario. These are northern States that all live close by the Provance. If these States thought it was such a great idea, well they had turkeys before us, so they would have been in this prosess long ago if it was a great idea and helpped the local flocks.
Places like Simcoe, London , Alliston ,Perth , Simcoe County, western Ottawa will is a great impact on the popualion with a PM hunt. Some of these places just opened a AM hunt in the past couple of years, because the population was enough to support one. How does these places have the popualtion to support a PM hunt if only 2-3 years ago they had enough birds for a Morning hunt. Turkeys do not increase that fast (sorry).
The MNR stocked and held on the Turkey program for some 10-15 years before allowing the first Wild Turkey in Ontario, how can they justify areas to have a large enough population 2 years after trap and tranfers programs came to a stop or at all most, when some areas are so low in populations that Turkey hunters have to travel to enjoy the sport.
Just the other night I recieved a call from a person from the Ontario board of directors that is impossed to the idea. I was told that a part of the Wild working Turkey group of the MNR Biol. was one of the ones that came up with this idea. I understand that there was also a time limit that was also suggested as this idea was brought forth. After the Goverment got ahold of this idea the time limit was forgotten and panic now has set in.
The excuse of allowing school kids to be involed with the hunt is mearly not going to work. If a time limit was brought forth for 4:00pm , how can a school child get out of school at 3:00 get home ready and in the field and call and hunt before 4:00 PM ,, No Way it can be done. It would take such a youngster 2 hours to be ready and be in the field to enjoy such a hunt. Now with that being said this youngster has 2 hours if he or she can make it for 5:00 PM , now the turkeys are in the fields feeding before fly up, so the setup on such flock can only be Drive by shootings or Roosting area setups as the ethical hunters we have in Ontario , the second choise is going to be the one, Now you and the child are in the woods and you have the chance, but if the birds fly to roost some 50-60 yards away hows the frustration of the child going to be and how many are going to teach the youngsters unethical practises because they want to see the youngster get a bird. Is this going to be fair for the next generation let alone making the hunt as unenjoyable for the ones that want to hunt in the proper fasion in the morning.
I do not see a problem with exstending the hours by a few but a hunt to sunset would be a great impact to the sport.
As for the Money exspect of the MNR , well read the lines on the EDR as far as revenue that the sport has brought in, they seem to bemore prone to that then a good reason for opening a whole day hunt.
As for Trespassing that again is only another part that such idea will promote. Turkeys feed in areas that drivers can see. The support of an afternoon hunt will only entice one to make a move on such birds wether allowance is there or not. After dark it is easyer for one to leave an area with out being seen , as it is to enter one at 4:00am. Now with this being said ,,How many birds will be taken with out a Tag after dark?
Drop off hunter activity has became a real problem already in the AM of the spring on Private land. This action is not uncommon to treaspassers at all, and is something I have seen alot from outside people from the area. PM hunting only opens the door for easyer action to take place. The MNR has not have the power to look after the AM hunt right , let alone a PM hunt. Trespassing and Bushwacking = accidents.
There is a percentage of birds already taken by the unethical hunters because they have a second tag that they can work with. This will only add to the unknown gobbler kills that the MNR has no take on.
The MNR has a past habbit of making these such disissions with out the input from groups that volenteers from such groups like the NWTF and OFAH that have put the time into working for the sport. As much as most of the MNR wants to or thinks they know everything about this sport, they don't and input from people with the exsperence would be a great factor if only they could get past the enical thought of money.
I don't know everything about Turkeys and the sport , but I have since /89 hunted turkeys 40 days or more in the spring and fall togeather and have been in such places that support a afternoon hunt, so I have seen what these places are like, and know how the turkeys react to the hunting presure. I many not be a Pro at the sport , but I have came along way since 89 when I started. I was also one of the starters of the NWTF in Canada and have talked to a fair share of Turkey Biologist in Canada and the US. I also know alot of the past background of some of these such Bio's and turkeys were not there background when they started.
These Concerns are only my own towards new turkey hunters.I do not care as to what happens as I will have no problem in useing 2 tags on my own and only exspress these Concerns for other Turkey hunters...BT
Opinions on All Day Hunting
1/ Hens and nests , thats just a small part of this coming plan. Hens when set only leave to feed and water. Most times hens leave the nest in the am and return in the am to spend the rest on the nest. Movement in the woods will interuped the nest , but will not make a big impact on the nesting because most hens wander off away from huntable areas to nest.
2/ The PM hunt and control, we have not got the CO control to look after an afternoon hunt, they can not look after a AM hunt now. The CO in my area hunts turkeys aswell so he's scouting for his own intrest more then he's looking after what he should be in the spring season.
3/ The MNR brought into effect the 2nd bird Tag , ONLY for revenue. The population of gobblers really was not high enough to support a 2 tag system. Estimate population is 60,000 birds in Ontario , you can only count on about 30% being Gobblers the one bird we hunt.
4/ Techniques traditional to Spring Hunting will change and Bushwacking moving and calling birds will add to hunting accidents. Trespassing problems will add a high factor to this problem.
5/ Roosting times of alot of Wild Turkeys are in the 8:30PM ,A percentage of Gobblers will be taken going to the Roost.
Now the picture in the whole on afternoon hunting.
Calling is one aspect of PM hunting, but the success of Calling is alot lower then in the AM. Most US hunters that hunt in the afternoon , setup in roosting areas to work afternoon birds.
Most of these States that have afternoon hunting have a very Large population of Wild Turkeys, up too the 100,000 + mark. The wooded areas of most of these States is the same as hunting turkeys in Thunderbay area. You can walk for 5 hours in woods and never see a house or person. Wild turkeys can move for food and have different roosting sites every night.
I know that Ontario has different land lay outs and some has more wooded areas then others, but on a whole , The wooded area lots here that Wild Turkeys Roost in are small and very small compared to the US States that allow afternoon hunting. The Turkey use the same areas every night to roost and most times with very low energy put into it ,one can find roosting areas that the local populations are useing. This makes it easy for hunters to setup at roost trees and target the Toms as they move to the night time places. Most times after a bird has flown to the roost A tom will gooble a number of times before dark. A unethical hunter has no problem walking quitely up to a roosting Tom and using his or her tag in an unethical hunt.
In the US States that allow afternoon hunting wooded ares are Very large and finding everynight roosted birds in the same area is far low from here. With the higher population of birds the impact of hunting in the PM is very low. The 2 main reasons for these States that allow PM hunting, to maintain huntable flocks are 1/ Wooded rooting areas with Millions of acres of land with no housing and resident areas,,,, 2/ Wild Turkey Population , Ontario -60,000 to Texas - 600,000 birds.
The MNR has left this unethical hunting pratice wide open here in Ontario and if you don't think it happens , it sure does and very often. Alot of slob hunters don't care wether they hunt and shoot a turkey in a proper manner , all they want to do is use the tag and Blow the wind about the bird they shot, and hay everyone to there own. For the Turkey hunters that take the sport seriously, this manner only runes a quaulitly hunt for them. With the added afternoon hunt this practice will mearly add to the unethical hunting and have a greater impact on the Gobbler its self.
Most States with afternoon hunting is some of the most borring hunting I have ever encountered. With the presure of the all day hunt, gobbling activity drops off to a all time low. Working birds as most of you's like will chance in a big way , as most birds become call shy very fast do to the added presure and unethical hunting practice. The area we have here in Ontario will only add to the problem, the sport will drop off and will become a unethical sport to fill your Tags.
Keep in mined that Turkey hunting can be frustrating even thow most still like the challenge of the sport, with the added PM hunting , the sport will only become more frustrating to most hunters in Ontario. Filling tags will be far harder and the means of sneeking in on Calling birds will start to apply. This mearly only addinf a concern to safety practces. Bushwacking birds is a common practice to PM hunting resaulting in Hunting accidents.
One has to look to as why States like NY,PA, Maine, MI, Ohio, IN,NJ, Vermont and so on ,, Why do they not have a Afternoon hunt ? and most have a larger Population of birds then Ontario. These are northern States that all live close by the Provance. If these States thought it was such a great idea, well they had turkeys before us, so they would have been in this prosess long ago if it was a great idea and helpped the local flocks.
Places like Simcoe, London , Alliston ,Perth , Simcoe County, western Ottawa will is a great impact on the popualion with a PM hunt. Some of these places just opened a AM hunt in the past couple of years, because the population was enough to support one. How does these places have the popualtion to support a PM hunt if only 2-3 years ago they had enough birds for a Morning hunt. Turkeys do not increase that fast (sorry).
The MNR stocked and held on the Turkey program for some 10-15 years before allowing the first Wild Turkey in Ontario, how can they justify areas to have a large enough population 2 years after trap and tranfers programs came to a stop or at all most, when some areas are so low in populations that Turkey hunters have to travel to enjoy the sport.
Just the other night I recieved a call from a person from the Ontario board of directors that is impossed to the idea. I was told that a part of the Wild working Turkey group of the MNR Biol. was one of the ones that came up with this idea. I understand that there was also a time limit that was also suggested as this idea was brought forth. After the Goverment got ahold of this idea the time limit was forgotten and panic now has set in.
The excuse of allowing school kids to be involed with the hunt is mearly not going to work. If a time limit was brought forth for 4:00pm , how can a school child get out of school at 3:00 get home ready and in the field and call and hunt before 4:00 PM ,, No Way it can be done. It would take such a youngster 2 hours to be ready and be in the field to enjoy such a hunt. Now with that being said this youngster has 2 hours if he or she can make it for 5:00 PM , now the turkeys are in the fields feeding before fly up, so the setup on such flock can only be Drive by shootings or Roosting area setups as the ethical hunters we have in Ontario , the second choise is going to be the one, Now you and the child are in the woods and you have the chance, but if the birds fly to roost some 50-60 yards away hows the frustration of the child going to be and how many are going to teach the youngsters unethical practises because they want to see the youngster get a bird. Is this going to be fair for the next generation let alone making the hunt as unenjoyable for the ones that want to hunt in the proper fasion in the morning.
I do not see a problem with exstending the hours by a few but a hunt to sunset would be a great impact to the sport.
As for the Money exspect of the MNR , well read the lines on the EDR as far as revenue that the sport has brought in, they seem to bemore prone to that then a good reason for opening a whole day hunt.
As for Trespassing that again is only another part that such idea will promote. Turkeys feed in areas that drivers can see. The support of an afternoon hunt will only entice one to make a move on such birds wether allowance is there or not. After dark it is easyer for one to leave an area with out being seen , as it is to enter one at 4:00am. Now with this being said ,,How many birds will be taken with out a Tag after dark?
Drop off hunter activity has became a real problem already in the AM of the spring on Private land. This action is not uncommon to treaspassers at all, and is something I have seen alot from outside people from the area. PM hunting only opens the door for easyer action to take place. The MNR has not have the power to look after the AM hunt right , let alone a PM hunt. Trespassing and Bushwacking = accidents.
There is a percentage of birds already taken by the unethical hunters because they have a second tag that they can work with. This will only add to the unknown gobbler kills that the MNR has no take on.
The MNR has a past habbit of making these such disissions with out the input from groups that volenteers from such groups like the NWTF and OFAH that have put the time into working for the sport. As much as most of the MNR wants to or thinks they know everything about this sport, they don't and input from people with the exsperence would be a great factor if only they could get past the enical thought of money.
I don't know everything about Turkeys and the sport , but I have since /89 hunted turkeys 40 days or more in the spring and fall togeather and have been in such places that support a afternoon hunt, so I have seen what these places are like, and know how the turkeys react to the hunting presure. I many not be a Pro at the sport , but I have came along way since 89 when I started. I was also one of the starters of the NWTF in Canada and have talked to a fair share of Turkey Biologist in Canada and the US. I also know alot of the past background of some of these such Bio's and turkeys were not there background when they started.
These Concerns are only my own towards new turkey hunters.I do not care as to what happens as I will have no problem in useing 2 tags on my own and only exspress these Concerns for other Turkey hunters...BT
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Adrian J Hare
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Now with that being said, The highest problem with turkey trouble towards farmers is Hen populations a great way to easy and keep this population under control would apply a Fall hunt. This would change the views towards Gobbler populations decreasing as success of gobbler hunting in the fall is far lower then hens.
I just don't understand as too why this was not brought to a table in the right manner...BT
I just don't understand as too why this was not brought to a table in the right manner...BT
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