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Re: Canadian Gun Ban

Post by IronNoggin » Fri May 15, 2020 5:53 pm

Federal firearms ban misses mark—badly

Police report that between 70 and 90 per cent of guns used in violent crimes in Canada are smuggled, mainly from the U.S. Gang violence is a growing threat to public safety. According to StatsCan, one quarter (24 per cent) of all homicides were gang-related in 2018, up from 16 per cent in 2015, and licensed firearms owners are much less likely to commit murder than other Canadians. The evidence strongly suggests this gun ban won’t make us safer. If the prime minister wants to stop gun violence, he should encourage the provinces and municipalities to hire more police officers or improve screening at the border to prevent gun smuggling. But this ban targets the law-abiding, not the criminal.

https://www.fraserinstitute.org/blogs/federal-firearms-ban-misses-mark-badly
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Re: Canadian Gun Ban

Post by nchunter » Sat May 16, 2020 12:41 pm

Gun bans are never really about making people safer, only more compliant.

I still can’t get over the fact that Canadians re-elected Prime Minister Blackface.

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Re: Canadian Gun Ban

Post by IronNoggin » Sat May 16, 2020 2:25 pm

At Bill Blair's direction, the RCMP have been quietly adding firearms to the banned list. As of yesterday, that included 255 target rifles and even bolt action shotguns. Slippery Slope not real? Riiiiight! :thumbdown:

More Guns Banned, FRT Records Deleted


Earlier today we discovered, by way of the RCMP Verifier’s portal to a live-updated version of the Firearms Reference Table, that a number of firearms have been moved to the Prohibited class as variants of the AR-15. These firearms include the Typhoon F12 shotgun, a bolt-action shotgun, a number of Alberta Tactical Rifle’s formerly non-restricted rifles, and the Maccabee Defense SLR-Multi rifle. We do not know if there have been further prohibitions, or if there will be.

These prohibitions are being made under the legal authority granted by the OIC announced May 1st, specifically Section 87, which reads: “The firearms of the designs commonly known as the M16, AR-10 and AR-15 rifles and the M4 carbine, and any variants or modified versions of them.” In other words, they are considering these firearms variants of the AR-15, and are prohibiting them as a result.

The problem with that is that the RCMP’s own documentation prior to this specifically included various comments that would disallow this action. For example, the Maccabee Defense SLR’s former FRT entry includes a section for Canadian Law Comments that reads as follows: “This firearm design is derived from an amalgamation of several different firearm designs and does not trace its design lineage directly or uniquely to a “prohibited” or a “restricted” firearm found in the Regulations appended to the Criminal Code.”

https://calibremag.ca/more-guns-banned-frt-records-deleted/
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Re: Canadian Gun Ban

Post by IronNoggin » Sat May 16, 2020 2:36 pm

For any who might be inclined to look where we are headed, I'd suggest a quick read of a letter from someone Trudeau appointed to his Firearms Committee to Bill Blair. The one that left in disgust when things were not rolling fast enough for her...

Recommendations concerning the ban on assault weapons and other measures being considered

http://polysesouvient.ca/Documents/MAIL_20_05_11_Letter_BillBlair_Recommendations_ENG.pdf?fbclid=IwAR1JAI3WOg1rzaKBgjHntxSPCLAPEN_ZjPNum56E_qTrBouu0TXzcXWpIAw
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Re: Canadian Gun Ban

Post by jd4223 » Sat May 16, 2020 9:05 pm

This should be no surprise. This was already accepted by voters at the ballot box. We here south of your border have experienced this many times with our past presidents. Now that we have elected President Trump and hopefully will re-elect him for another 4 years our country is experiencing a new found freedom that we haven't experienced in who remembers how long. Problem is,10 minutes after President Trumps tenure ends,this country will no longer exist as a free nation. The Libs/Democrats with the blessings and assistance from the RINOS(Republicans In Name Only) will turn the USA into a 3rd world country and corruption and socialism/fascism will be front and center. I'm enjoying the good times while they last. Luckily I'm up there in age and won't have to suffer too long in tyranny. Hopefully the voters in your country will wake up(I doubt it).

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Re: Canadian Gun Ban

Post by Hillcountry » Mon May 18, 2020 9:59 am

jd4223 wrote:
Sat May 16, 2020 9:05 pm
This should be no surprise. This was already accepted by voters at the ballot box. We here south of your border have experienced this many times with our past presidents. Now that we have elected President Trump and hopefully will re-elect him for another 4 years our country is experiencing a new found freedom that we haven't experienced in who remembers how long. Problem is,10 minutes after President Trumps tenure ends,this country will no longer exist as a free nation. The Libs/Democrats with the blessings and assistance from the RINOS(Republicans In Name Only) will turn the USA into a 3rd world country and corruption and socialism/fascism will be front and center. I'm enjoying the good times while they last. Luckily I'm up there in age and won't have to suffer too long in tyranny. Hopefully the voters in your country will wake up(I doubt it).
I agree. We must keep republicans in office at all costs! Once that is no longer the case, kiss the USA as we know it goodbye. Hell, the dems know they can’t beat Trump and are ramping up vote by mail so they can cheat again and again. Not to belittle what’s happening to our northern neighbors but if we lose to the dems we will be in the same boat.
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Re: Canadian Gun Ban

Post by IronNoggin » Mon May 18, 2020 5:02 pm

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https://www.westernstandardonline.com/2020/05/murder-rate-stayed-stable-despite-massive-increase-in-restricted-gun-sales-in-canada/
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Re: Canadian Gun Ban

Post by IronNoggin » Tue May 19, 2020 2:01 pm

Alberta Game Warden Association
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On May 1, 2020, Prime Minister Trudeau and the Liberal government implemented a prohibition of over 1500 firearms through an Order in Council (OIC).

The Alberta Game Warden Association (AGWA) wishes to clearly state that they oppose the OIC Firearms Ban and believes that any such issues should be taken through the democratic processes which our officials have been elected and sworn to uphold.

The Alberta Game Warden Association consists of Fish and Wildlife officers who strive to conserve the natural resources of Alberta by ensuring compliance with resource related activities such as hunting, trapping and fishing and to provide public safety by managing dangerous wildlife. AGWA believes it is critically important to show support for their stakeholders, specifically lawful firearms owners in the hunting, trapping, sport competition/target shooting and ranching community.

The OIC Firearm Ban lacks evidence-based decision making as shown in the following paragraphs.

The OIC claimed to be banning Military Grade Assault Weapons. That fundamental premise of the OIC is flawed as Military Grade Assault Weapons refers to fully automatic firearms with high capacity magazines, both of which were already prohibited in Canada in 1977 and 1992 respectively. None of the firearms that were banned are capable of firing in fully automatic mode (one depression of the trigger allowing for continuous firing) or legally able to contain more than five rounds in the magazine.

The Federal Liberal OIC further states that none of the firearms banned are commonly used for sporting or hunting purposes. However, the restricted firearms that are now prohibited, have been used for decades for sporting and competition purposes and were licensed by the Federal government for this very purpose. The non-restricted firearms that were banned under the OIC are common hunting rifles for both predators and large game animals. This was demonstrated by the fact that an exemption was included in the OIC allowing Indigenous people to continue to hunt for subsistence purposes with these very same firearms.

In addition to banning 1,500 firearms by specific make and model, the firearm ban includes the banning of firearms with a bore of 20 mm or more. Most 10 and 12 gauge shotguns with a removable choke have a bore of 20 mm or more, and would therefore be banned under the new regulations imposed. The intent of making these firearms may not be there at this moment. However, we believe that this oversight is a key example why this issue should have gone through the Parliamentary process. Instead, the lawful outdoor community members such as upland bird hunters or waterfowler’s have become criminals for possession of certain shotguns.

Statistics Canada figures show licenced gun owners are among the least likely citizens to commit a violent crime. New public safety measures should target the people responsible for criminal activity, tighten bail release conditions and address the socio-economic environments that give rise to violent life styles. Criminals who have illegally obtained firearms will not be impacted by this confiscation regime.

The Vancouver City Police Chief, who is the head of the Canadian Association of Chiefs of Police, was asked in 2019 whether he felt Canada needed further gun controls. He said, “Canada already has strong firearms regulations and no other law is required. The firearms laws in Canada are actually very good right now. They’re very strict.”

The Alberta Game Warden Association urges the Federal Liberal Party to repeal the OIC Firearm Ban immediately to ensure Canadian citizens can continue to use these firearms responsibly and not face criminal prosecution for possessing lawfully acquired property. Limited government resources should be focused on taking action against the root causes of violent crime, such as gang violence, firearms obtained illegally or those which are illegally smuggled into Canada.
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Re: Canadian Gun Ban

Post by Bcxbow » Tue May 19, 2020 2:39 pm

Kudos to the AGWA for stepping up :clap:
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Re: Canadian Gun Ban

Post by IronNoggin » Tue May 19, 2020 3:11 pm

Step 11:

Write your local Conservation Officers Organization and directly request they follow the excellent example put forward by the Alberta Game Warden Association in calling for the OIC to be rescinded.

BC:

https://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/environment/natural-resource-stewardship/natural-resource-law-enforcement/conservation-officer-service/contact-information

https://www.facebook.com/BCCOSociety/

North American Wildlife Enforcement Officers Association:

https://www.naweoa.org/

Saskatchewan:

https://www.saco.ca/

Manitoba:

https://mb.211.ca/agencies/manitoba-conservation-officers-association-inc/

Ontario:

http://ocoa.ca/

Please feel free to add links to those I do not have.

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Re: Canadian Gun Ban

Post by IronNoggin » Tue May 19, 2020 3:31 pm

Those who want total ban on handguns lack understanding of firearm sports

Responsible and legal firearm owners do not carry firearms outside of legally permitted areas.

We do not threaten the safety of citizens, nor the efficiency of police work.

Most of us certainly do not claim to need handguns for any reason beyond the pure love or enjoyment of participating in the shooting sports.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/opinion/opinion-handguns-gun-control-1.5572268
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Re: Canadian Gun Ban

Post by IronNoggin » Wed May 20, 2020 4:04 pm

And... Another one bites the dust...

It seems the trigger happy folks rapidly prohibiting firearms under the direction of Trudeau et al are keeping rather busy these days.

Here's the next:

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It's a 22 caliber Mossberg Plinkster. Semi automatic. There are several hundred thousand of them in circulation in Canada. No one can be certain of the exact number, as these have always been a non-restricted item.

But... once again, you can dress them up to look soooo scary they best be on the list:

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Forget the fact that the outside shell is a cheap plastic and rather ill fitting case surrounding the Plinkster inside. Forget the fact it still functions exactly the same. Forget the fact it is a 22. It now obviously fits the banal Trudeau description: “These weapons were designed for one purpose and one purpose only: to kill the largest amount of people in the shortest amount of time,”

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And on it goes...

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Re: Canadian Gun Ban

Post by Carnivorous » Sat May 23, 2020 7:07 pm

What a bunch of hor$e crap!!!

The next election can't come fast enough!!!
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Re: Canadian Gun Ban

Post by Hillcountry » Sun May 24, 2020 10:23 am

IronNoggin wrote:
Fri May 15, 2020 5:53 pm
Federal firearms ban misses mark—badly

Police report that between 70 and 90 per cent of guns used in violent crimes in Canada are smuggled, mainly from the U.S. Gang violence is a growing threat to public safety. According to StatsCan, one quarter (24 per cent) of all homicides were gang-related in 2018, up from 16 per cent in 2015, and licensed firearms owners are much less likely to commit murder than other Canadians. The evidence strongly suggests this gun ban won’t make us safer. If the prime minister wants to stop gun violence, he should encourage the provinces and municipalities to hire more police officers or improve screening at the border to prevent gun smuggling. But this ban targets the law-abiding, not the criminal.

https://www.fraserinstitute.org/blogs/federal-firearms-ban-misses-mark-badly
Hmmm...is there any gun ban that “hits the mark?” Poor choice of title my friend...
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Re: Canadian Gun Ban

Post by IronNoggin » Sun May 24, 2020 3:14 pm

Judicial review of an Order in Council to determine if the Order in council is valid:

https://efiling.fct-cf.gc.ca/efilingws/r/doc/v/gmXXegI-G2d33c2ndv80gD5AXQ3EKHTu
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