Kill the moose to save the caribou?

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Kill the moose to save the caribou?

Post by IronNoggin » Tue Jun 16, 2020 2:53 pm

How will killing moose save caribou? That is a great question. The logic behind this goes as follows: wolves are a major predator for caribou and another staple of their diet is moose. The more moose we kill, the fewer wolves there will be and the more caribou we will save. So in order to save our caribou populations, the NDP have declared open season on moose calves and cows.

Needless to say, the logic is a bit flawed. Firstly, if wolves can’t find as many moose, won’t they just look for more caribou? Secondly, is this really the greatest option we have to protect the caribou? Killing calves and mothers? I am all for controlled game hunting, but I feel like we have so many more options available to protect our caribou populations and I am not the only one feels this way.

Thousands of British Columbians concerned about preserving moose populations as well as caribou have voiced their opposition to this announcement.

https://www.alaskahighwaynews.ca/opinion/columnists/dan-davies-kill-the-moose-to-save-the-caribou-1.24153859

The related Petition:

https://www.change.org/p/premier-john-horgan-the-ndp-government-save-the-baby-moose-stop-john-horgan-s-plan
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Re: Kill the moose to save the caribou?

Post by janesy » Tue Jun 16, 2020 6:49 pm

So killing off the moose, will in turn starve the wolves, which will protect the Caribou?

That's assuming the wolves understand math and stop eating caribou when they should be eating moose. Effectively they expect the wolfs to ration the Caribou themselves

That's the most backwards idea I've ever heard.
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Re: Kill the moose to save the caribou?

Post by Hillcountry » Wed Jun 17, 2020 8:33 am

The epitome of idiocy... :cry:
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Re: Kill the moose to save the caribou?

Post by Jack Pine » Wed Jun 17, 2020 8:46 am

That's just nuts. Is marijuana smoking legal in BC?
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Re: Kill the moose to save the caribou?

Post by Hatchet » Fri Jun 19, 2020 10:26 am

They are using the same logic in Maine. Reduce the deer and moose herd to starve the ticks. They are planning on issuing a record number of antlerless deer permits this year. I call it swallowing a spider to catch the fly. That was line in a children's song when I was a kid.

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Post by Hi5 » Fri Jun 19, 2020 12:00 pm

"That's just nuts. Is marijuana smoking legal in BC?"

It's not just legal.. ..It's mandatory.
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Re: Kill the moose to save the caribou?

Post by ihunt » Fri Jun 19, 2020 12:45 pm

Hi5 wrote:
Fri Jun 19, 2020 12:00 pm
"That's just nuts. Is marijuana smoking legal in BC?"

It's not just legal.. ..It's mandatory.
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Re: Kill the moose to save the caribou?

Post by Hatchet » Fri Jun 19, 2020 5:23 pm

Marijuana is legal here in Maine but they outlawed the plastic bag... go figure.

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Re: Kill the moose to save the caribou?

Post by robertyb » Sat Jun 20, 2020 6:38 am

I wonder if the discussion ever even mentioned having a wolf hunt to reduce their numbers?
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Re: Kill the moose to save the caribou?

Post by IronNoggin » Sat Jun 20, 2020 4:55 pm

Jesse Zeeman of the BCWF:

Here is his latest "defense" of this matter on FaceBook:

"Are you a number 1 or a number 2?

1) "I want science-based wildlife management"

2) "No one should hunt mommies and baby moose"

If you find yourself thinking or saying number 2 at any time, you can't be a number 1.

If you eat meat you should recognize the steak you buy in the store is from 18 months old 'baby' steers and heifers, the pork you buy is from a 6 months old pig, meat chickens live 6-9 weeks, and finally the eggs you eat are, well eggs.

The fish you catch and the ones you buy are mommies, daddies, and babies, the halibut and cod you buy in stores are often 'babies', and for a number of species you hunt/trap it is extremely hard to separate the differences in sex. So whether you buy your meat or hunt and fish for it, you eat 'mommies and babies'.

If you find yourself in the number two camp, but you're eating or buying steak, pork, eggs, fish, bears, deer, or moose, it's time for a reality check.

You should also consider, if you were opposed to closing grizzly bear hunting and you said "we want science", and you're now saying "no one should hunt mommies and baby moose", you're in the same camp as the anti-hunting movement.

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I simply reacted with "NOT buying in Jesse".

Form your own opinions. I have, and am sticking by them.

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Re: Kill the moose to save the caribou?

Post by nchunter » Tue Jun 23, 2020 2:03 pm

What’s wrong with hunting the damn wolves???

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