Big Buck Question

htoler · Post by **htoler** » Sat Apr 01, 2006 7:37 pm

There was a record buck taken with a crossbowin in Ohio , scored somthing like 201 1/8 I think it was does anyone know what kind of crossbow it was taken with??

Digger · Post by **Digger** » Sat Apr 01, 2006 8:00 pm

Brad took it with a Ten Point as you well know. Is there a point your tryung to get at.

ecoaster · Post by **ecoaster** » Sat Apr 01, 2006 8:06 pm

Read this and my first thought was, "Loaded question". Went onto the next post.

htoler · Post by **htoler** » Sat Apr 01, 2006 8:24 pm

it wasent taken with a Tenpoint it was taken with a Dakota SL who makes the Dakota,

Digger · Post by **Digger** » Sat Apr 01, 2006 8:26 pm

ecoaster, I thought he was getting upset because someone here on the excalibur forum said Excals were better than TP xbows. He's been pushing Ten Points here and on Archery Talk and doesn't like us saying we have our favorites too.

Digger · Post by **Digger** » Sat Apr 01, 2006 8:32 pm

Who makes the Dakota? I've shot Excals for 15 years , but sorry I never heard of them, is it the make or the model of xbow? Were a dumb lot here in the north when it comes to brand names. Prehaps you can educate us dopey colonials.

bails111 · Post by **bails111** » Sat Apr 01, 2006 8:33 pm

Horton Dakota SL I think

htoler · Post by **htoler** » Sat Apr 01, 2006 9:18 pm

Talked to Brad via some pm`s the Dakota is made by Horton ,

I asked this same question about what type of xbow the buck was taken on on the archerytalk forum also .. and I think that if any of you checked into any of my responses on any of the three forums that I freqeunt you will find that I will generally tell people that if they want the most safty oriented xbow to look into Tenpoints that if the want the simplest then look into Excaliburs if thay want the most affordable Horton..

and I think that if you dig into past post you will find that for awhile I had myself convienced to get an Excalibur Exomag until it was pointed out to me that it was illegal to hut with it in Illinois because it exceeded the max draw weight limit of 200 lbs.

Again for you nonunderstanding people on this forum I like the Excals and have told many that from what they has decsribed that it sounded like the Excal was the right choice for them. and I plan on owning one will probably be the Exocet since it meets the draw weight limit.
I am sorry that I am not convienced that there is just one good Xbow on the market.. I was ready to leave the other post and let that all die but guess some of you just cant do that,, guess once you are dammed on this forum you are dammed for life.. all because a post that was posted didnt settle right for me sorry you die hard Excal guys cant accept that there are other good xbows out there ..
I asked what I though was a legit question about a record buck that was taken with a crossbow,, on another forum I got an anser to that question on this forum just a lot of flack ..

so for my questiong to be taken as legit questions on this forum now what would you guys have me do?????

Tom · Post by **Tom** » Sat Apr 01, 2006 9:45 pm

htoler please do not get this in the wrong way. That earlier post you mentioned, you were very combative and extreemly agresive towards anyone that did not agree with you. We all have our bad days. Now about the other people from the forum, can you blame them from feel negitive because of the way your previous posts came across. Now enough from both sides and lets just lets the tough and hard feelings go and get this forum back on track to what it is good for. This forum is good because there is a free flow of ideas and information. There will be disagreements and sometimes what someone thinks or says will be corrected by others. These corrections should not ever be taken personally. Espically with crossbows, misleading others with information that is thought to be true only hurts in the education of the new people to this sport. Heck, I have been corrected more than once on things that I have said, no problem with that, I just learned something new.

Now I do have one problem with your statement above:

will generally tell people that if they want the most safty oriented xbow to look into Tenpoints that if the want the simplest then look into Excaliburs

If you are basing this on their double saftey and dryfire mech, then you are misleading people about the saftey of the bow. Never trust a mechanical device for saftey. If you ever go through a saftey coarse on guns, espically a pistol, they teach you that the only true saftey is your finger, keep it away from the trigger and out of the trigger guard.

The only true saftey aspect in either a gun or a bow is the person that is handling it. Mechanical devices can fail and that is why you should never turst or depend on them.

htoler · Post by **htoler** » Sat Apr 01, 2006 10:09 pm

Ok point taken there is only one good bow on the market an Excalibur..

I will mention no more about Tenpoints or any of their products ..

when someone ask about the Accudraw I will not reply , or about the new proview scope or any other product that they make..

will even get rid of my Tenpoint logos..

Tom · Post by **Tom** » Sat Apr 01, 2006 10:34 pm

I give up. htoler where did that negitive reply come from. Are you just coming here to try and stir people up and cause problems.

I do not believe your reply. Again you have gone defensive for no reason. My above post on the saftey aspect is a real problem with people trusting mechanical devices. Now just with bows but with all things. In my training, when we went into an area that could be dangerous (machinery) and the machine needed to be shut off, turning the KEY (on the power box) or turning the switch off is not enough. Ontario Labour laws say that the machine needs to be LOCKED OUT because mechanical devices are not to be trusted. The on/off switches might short. I was taught to pull the fuse and LOCK the fuse pannel so oneone can put it back in.

I have nothing against you personally, but if your telling people to trust a mechanical device to be safe, then I WILL dispute you every time because it is an incorrect statement.

As I said before " The only true saftey aspect in either a gun or a bow is the person that is handling it. "

LoneWolf · Post by **LoneWolf** » Sat Apr 01, 2006 10:48 pm

htoler wrote: I think that if you dig into past post you will find that for awhile I had myself convienced to get an Excalibur Exomag until it was pointed out to me that it was illegal to hut with it in Illinois because it exceeded the max draw weight limit of 200 lbs.

First off, the Exomag is a 200# crossbow, the ExoMax is a 225# crossbow.

And second of all, I promised myself a little less than a year ago that I'd never get myself into these heated discussions in the future cause they're not good for my health....

*L*

Anyways, I believe that it's everyone's choice/perogative on what they wanna shoot. If you wanna shoot a Horton, shoot one, if you wanna shoot a Ten Point, shoot one, if you wanna shoot a Darton, shoot one, if you wanna shoot an Excalibur, shoot one, if you wanna shoot a Barnett you can shoot one, and if you wanna shoot a Parker go ahead and shoot one. As far as I'm concerned I really don't G-A-S what anyone else wants to shoot... Whatever you prefer shooting, shoot it!. Just don't try to push what you shoot, eat or drink on me. I have a mind of my own just as any other human being has.

I shot enough crossbows with wheels in my time, I also lost valueble hunting time with them too. No, it wasn't a Ten Point. They were different brands. Right now I own a Paradox (meals on wheels), and an Exocet 200 as crossbows. I also own a Hoyt Vtec and have a Mathews Switchback on order for my verticle compounds. Three of the bows/crossbows I mentioned have wheels and one doesn't being the Exocet 200. Now with that outta the way, If I was ever going up North way out in the middle of nowhere or on a fly in trip for a moose hunt and could only bring one bow with me, I'd be leaning towards the Exocet 200.

I've said my piece!

LW

Digger · Post by **Digger** » Sat Apr 01, 2006 10:53 pm

htoler wrote: and I think that if you dig into past post you will find that for awhile I had myself convienced to get an Excalibur Exomag until it was pointed out to me that it was illegal to hut with it in Illinois because it exceeded the max draw weight limit of 200 lbs.

I will point out to you that the Emag is quite legal in Illinois and Ohio as it is at best a 200 lb xbow and a great xbow, the 225 lb Emax is another kettle of fish.

htoler · Post by **htoler** » Sat Apr 01, 2006 11:12 pm

sorry I ment Exomax

htoler · Post by **htoler** » Sat Apr 01, 2006 11:17 pm

I asked a legit queston and got ripped how should I respond???

Im done with the bow debate..

when it comes to mechanical devices IE saftys no we cannot depend on them soley.. but does that mean we would make a crossbow or gun without a safty???

I work in a factory and know all about not trusting mechanical devices alone..