Easton Firebolt Question?

colonel62 · Post by **colonel62** » Sun Jun 15, 2008 10:30 pm

I am trying to sell some Easton Firebolts on ebay. I had a question from a customer. He asked what size they were 2219? I know they are carbon bolts, so I am assuming he wants to know the diameter of the bolts. Does anyone know the diameter of the Easton Firebolts?

Bill T · Post by **Bill T** » Mon Jun 16, 2008 12:57 pm

hi
They are 22/64 diameter, same as #22 aluminum arrows.

colonel62 · Post by **colonel62** » Mon Jun 16, 2008 1:25 pm

Thanks Bill T

Stash · Post by **Stash** » Mon Jun 16, 2008 5:52 pm

It IS the same, .300"

The same inserts as the LaserII uses fit the Firebolt.

Big John · Post by **Big John** » Mon Jun 16, 2008 6:36 pm

Stash:

I was told by my suppliers that Gold Tip inserts will not work on firebolts.

Wait, Maybe it was Power bolts?

I'll get back to this one later.

Stash · Post by **Stash** » Mon Jun 16, 2008 9:27 pm

Powerbolts are .297 and the GT/Firebolt inserts won't fit.

I am 100% sure the GT and Firebolt inserts are the same size, because I have some here at the store and I've tried them.

Besides, the good folks at Excalibur told me they were the same

Bill T · Post by **Bill T** » Tue Jun 17, 2008 5:37 pm

Whoa there! Similar, yes, but NOT the same.
Firebolts are around .300 ID but Goldtips are .298 according to my calipers. Inserts etc MIGHT work on both or maybe not, depending on how they are toleranced. No guarantees are possible when it comes to this sort of thing.

fuzzy · Post by **fuzzy** » Tue Jun 17, 2008 7:41 pm

Big John · Post by **Big John** » Tue Jun 17, 2008 7:49 pm

fuzzy:

How will #600 grit make it bigger?

Stash · Post by **Stash** » Wed Jun 18, 2008 12:37 am

I don't presume to know more than you about your products, Bill T, but you guys supplied us at the BP store with a few spare inserts for customers when you were having the GT problems. When we started getting in the Firebolts, I checked the old GT inserts with a new Firebolt shaft and they fit perfectly. I think it was Rob who also confirmed that they were the same.

If you go to the Lumenok website, they have specs for their crossbow Lumenoks, and the one for the GT arrows is .300, and for the Easton Powerbolts (NOT Firebolts) and Horton Carbon, it's .297.

I'll check them again tomorrow and report back, just in case the old memory is getting faultier than usual...

fuzzy · Post by **fuzzy** » Wed Jun 18, 2008 7:52 am

Bill T · Post by **Bill T** » Wed Jun 18, 2008 8:09 am

.002 isn't a lot of difference and the normal size of inserts is more than .002 less than shaft ID, so they SHOULD be OK, but like I said, if tolerances are just a tad too high, you could potentially have issues. That said, I have used brass inserts in 2219 shafts to increase weight for heavy game, and they were quite sloppy (.006 undersize) but with a little creative use of hotmelt they worked great............Bill

Stash · Post by **Stash** » Wed Jun 18, 2008 8:13 am

I just rechecked...

To recap: At the store I have a few broken crossbow arrow shafts which I've trimmed down, including an old Excalibur GT Laser II and a new Excalibur Firebolt. Both have fresh cuts, no glue in the end.

The old GT Laser II aluminum inserts, both front and back, that Excalibur supplied us with last year fit both of these shafts snugly, without having to force them in. Finger removal, but no play. So as far as I can tell without calipers, they are identical in internal diameter.

BTW, these do NOT go into the Powerbolt (Easton) or Carbon Strike (Horton).

We also have a Styker bolt which I believe is a Laser II. I removed the brass insert (60 grain) from this arrow, and it also fits both the Laser II and Firebolt the same as the aluminum inserts do.

So, to confirm my answer to answer the original question from bstout, as far as I can tell from my exerience with 2 samples of each arrow (2 Firebolts, 1 Excal Laser II and 1 Stryker Laser II), the ID of the Firebolt and the Laser II is the same, and the brass inserts from the Laser II will fit the Firebolt.

I'll also confirm that the 2117/2114 inserts also will fit, but the lip isn't as wide on these as on the carbon inserts, so you might experience some damage to the edges of the carbon shaft if you use 2117/2114 inserts.

Hope that helps.

Big John · Post by **Big John** » Wed Jun 18, 2008 5:31 pm

Thank's for the info update Stash. Good info to pass along to the forum.
I have a few orders of PowerBolt's to make yet, have not Re-made any FireBolts yet.

Fuzzy: My point was how will #600 grit make the insert bigger to fit?
Since the opening is already bigger. On another note, I think "thinning" the i.d. of a bolt around the insert area may prove to be a weak point, on contact with bone's or other hard stuff. Thus promoting a crack or splintering around the insert. If done, one must be very careful.

bob1961 · Post by **bob1961** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 10:39 pm

just going through a search and came across this one bout firebolt I.D....i had an insert come out so i mic'd in on the digi calipers....the outside of the insert is .299 and it looked like very little glue if any maybe in the shaft and it was a tight fit................bob

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