bolt weight

[Turtleman]

If i do this math for my 2008 Vortex. I use a GT lazer II , 20", eight inch wrap, brass insert, aluminum flat nock, 100 gr head i come to a total weight (if done correct) too 419.14117 gr. total bolt weight. All were weighed in grams on a chemistry lab high dollar scale and then converted to grains. If i do the math at 2.7 grains per draw weight on a vortex 200 lbs come to a 540 gr bolt. Is this correct, is this to say i am possibly shooting too light of a bolt? I have had very good results with this combo. Am i too understand people are shooting much heavier shafts , all the way to 540 gr? Just curious!

[Michael Stogre]

Hey Mikej:

I just weighed on my digital scale a 2219 XX75 camo hunter arrow by
Easton, the kind made for Excalibur. This one had 4" duravanes. The
weght came out to 352 grains before adding a field point or broadhead.

The original Excalibur aluminum arrows came with 5" vanes and so would
be slightly heavier.

Mike S.

[mikej]

Hey Mikej:

I just weighed on my digital scale a 2219 XX75 camo hunter arrow by
Easton, the kind made for Excalibur. This one had 4" duravanes. The
weght came out to 352 grains before adding a field point or broadhead.

The original Excalibur aluminum arrows came with 5" vanes and so would
be slightly heavier.

Mike S.

thanks so with a 100 grain head it would be 452

[awshucks]

If i do this math for my 2008 Vortex. I use a GT lazer II , 20", eight inch wrap, brass insert, aluminum flat nock, 100 gr head i come to a total weight (if done correct) too 419.14117 gr. total bolt weight. All were weighed in grams on a chemistry lab high dollar scale and then converted to grains. If i do the math at 2.7 grains per draw weight on a vortex 200 lbs come to a 540 gr bolt. Is this correct, is this to say i am possibly shooting too light of a bolt? I have had very good results with this combo. Am i too understand people are shooting much heavier shafts , all the way to 540 gr? Just curious!

Guys, I have all the respect in the world for Matthias. I have GT's that range from 400 gr to 446 gr all w/ brass inserts and a mix of either 4" Duravanes or 2" Blazers.

W/ 100 gr Slicks, they all shoot very accurate. I put a 446 gr version through a 1000 lb buffalo, bhead was sticking out 1.5" at 20 yds at about 295 fps.

I shot a turkey at 30 yds w/ same setup plus 20 gr Zwickey grappler and dropped it where it stood. That's accurate enough for me.

What benefit would I have seen w/ a 540 gr arrow? I'm not willing to give up that many fps for no apparent benefit.

The most accurate target shooting I've done is w/ the 400 gr total weight w/ Blazers. 1-1.5" at 50 yds

[sumner4991]

It greatly depends on your definition of "accurate" too.

I have all kinds of weights and enjoy shooting them all. They are all accurate to me. I think the lighter ones take more concentration to shoot and a better follow through, but, still very accurate. The light ones have the extra vibes, but, it's no big deal.

To me, hitting a 1" dot is very accurate at 30 yards. However, to some, that wouldn't meet their standards.

You also want to match your set-up to the animal you are hunting.

[awshucks]

The most accurate target shooting I've done is w/ the 400 gr total weight w/ Blazers. 1-1.5" at 50 yds

Dan, I took your statement and added some needed information that would allow an assessment.

"The most accurate target shooting I've done has been using "brand X" hunting heads and a total arrow weight of 400 grains with a FOC of 15% along with Blazer Vanes using a 4 degree offset, shot 1-1.5" groups at 50 yards shooting through a 14 mph cross wind."

Please excuse the grammar but you get the idea.

Without all of the information (type of head, wind speed/direction, arrow balance/FOC, and fletching style, it's just a generic statement.

BTW...seen any black Vixens lately?

Bob, I was testing arrow weights and vane configurations w/ target points and no wind. I didn't fletch the 446 gr [Greywolf customs w/ wraps] and am not sure what type offset is on Danny's GT's, but my blazers are rt hand helical 8 degrees.

It's been my experience and hence my opinion that any FOC w/ GT's and brass inserts is enough. Certainly, the 446 gr have less than the 400gr w/ Blazers.

Danny pushes the brass inserted GT's relentlessly. For quite a while, they were what was called 10 pt's 'Pro-Elite'. Pause for thought in my book.

I haven't done enough bhead testing w/ the Blazered Gt's to comment on their performance, I have too many of the older heavier ones w/ 4" vanes that I'll keep using as hunting arrows because I prefer the weight in case I gig a bear. I am winding down on the 446 customs, lol. 435 gr old GT's from Danny next in the hunting line up.

No wind is hard to come by here, so that was a special day. I'm of the opinion one can shoot the front half of a two piece pool cue at 20 yds and do well, it takes the longer ranges for 'stuff' to show up.

Didn't mean to give incomplete data as far as FOC, ect, but I'm to the point it's not relevant [to me]anymore exact per cent wise w/ these arrows.

I guess the best way for me to describe all of this is once I got my 1st Excal, I said 'box checked', meaning I'd found my brand. Next was Gt's, box checked, then Slicks, last but not least, 'Boo' string, last box checked.

No, I haven't checked the black Vixen box, lol, got one to off?

[Grizzly Adam]

So they took the inductive, empirical approach ...

Hmmm ... I wonder if Sextus Empiricus was an archer?

Personally, I'm skeptical!