Problems Dialing in Lumenoks

[Carphunter]

I have to examine a bunch of things to check my M380's setup as i'm getting fliers.

I think the fliers are coming in with me trying to run lumenoks instead of aluminum nocks...but at this point, i'm keeping my eyes open for anything that might be giving me grief.

After shooting some 18" BEEs next to my 20" BEES last weekend... all equipped with 110 inserts, blazers, aluminum nocks, and 100 gn field tips last weekend... i found the 18's to shoot seemingly as well as my 20's (which are very freakin accurate... probably less than 2" groups at 60 yds.) I'd like to switch to the 18's to keep my broadheads within the stirrups.

I picked up some more lumenoks as I'd like to start using them for hunting. I know last year i bailed on working up a setup with my 20" arrows because I never seemed to get them to fly as well as the lighter aluminum nocks.

When i set up the 18's with lumenoks and test fired them, I thought they were doing ok... but on the third arrow...i got a flier. as i kept testing, i was getting more fliers...some more than 6" from common point of impact.

I tried some 20's with lumenoks, and also got fliers or just bad grouping.

I tried putting 125 heads on to see if that calmed things down...but didn't seem to help.

i think i went back to my reference arrows and shot to check to see that i didn't get fliers with them...but it was too long ago and now i don't remember.

have people been able to keep their lumenok equipped arrows flying as well as plain aluminum nocks? any common things to look for?

on the bow, I'm going to go over it with a microscope, but scope feels tight, optimizer is tight, trigger feels ok, string...serving is barely starting to separate and i've got new strings coming, but don't think that would cause fliers), brace height is correct. I'm shooting from a rest.

[racking up points]

Are your arrows squared? You could double check all of your fasteners, maybe something shook loose? I run lumenocks in all my arrows and see no erratic groups at all. Paulaboutform on this forum uses them beyond 100y and gets 1-2" groups, so I'm inclined to say it is not the nocks, but who knows maybe you got a bad batch?

[amythntr]

Are your arrows squared? You could double check all of your fasteners, maybe something shook loose? I run lumenocks in all my arrows and see no erratic groups at all. Paulaboutform on this forum uses them beyond 100y and gets 1-2" groups, so I'm inclined to say it is not the nocks, but who knows maybe you got a bad batch?

X2 on the arrow squaring and the use of the Lumenoks...never heard of this problem once with the "guilty party" being the Lumenoks (or Ignitors for that matter) in the caboose section...do you square your arras with a tool such as the G5-ASD (Arrow Squaring Device)?....If you don't, than my suggestion is that you begin your search there.....

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Anthony

[maine hunter]

The only time I had a hard time shooting lumenoks, was my first time using them. I used a pair of pliars to turn them off. They did like that!!! I now use Danny's and I no problem what so ever now.

[Carphunter]

I thought i had squared my arrows...but I can check that again. What's the logic behind that being the issue? basically on the initial launch smack of the string seating them, they don't hit the butt of the shaft square and start on oscillation or push?
As to the comment about shutting them off with pliers, was that a problem for you just due to damage to nock? or would they not seat properly on next shot?

[maine hunter]

The only time I had a hard time shooting lumenoks, was my first time using them. I used a pair of pliars to turn them off. They did like that!!! I now use Danny's and I no problem what so ever now.

I was chewing the lumenok up. The nock has to be complely flat, or it will throw the arrow off.

[Carphunter]

k, cool. i actually just watched their vid on backing out the nock and realized i've got the same arrow puller they show...so i should be able to back mine out that way

[amythntr]

k, cool. i actually just watched their vid on backing out the nock and realized i've got the same arrow puller they show...so i should be able to back mine out that way

yes....I and many have found that Burt Coyote puller to be a piece of doodywhoppers....most of us have purchased the Danny Miller arra pullers which make the job...so much easier....but it's your call!

Anthony

[Normous]

Leave only minimum 1/32" gap when extinguishing Lumenoks. Don't pull them out further than needed.

[BrotherRon]

I had the same problem without lumenocks.
I was sighted in deadly accurate, then started getting a few fliers.
Upon further investigation I discovered my trigger housing screws were not tight. They weren't loose enough to notice, but when I removed my stock and checked the two trigger housing screws one of them was not snug. I re-tightened them and has been good ever since.

Ron.

[Carphunter]

current order of checking things out... test my old standard arrows to see if i have fliers.

then, start checking every bolt and fastener on the bow.

even thinking swap scopes (don't know how many rifle scopes that have lead me to pull my hair out just to find out they went out of whack).

on the squaring front, I know the 18's were square to start.

[Carphunter]

another discussion this afternoon seems to have helped resolve the issue.

nothing wrong with arrows or bow.

I had been shooting the bow from my rest like i would sight in a rifle. front end free, secure at the rear.

well....crossbows ain't rifles... arrows are too slow to clear the bow before it starts to jump.

shot this afternoon and kept a firm downward grip on the forearm against the front rest and everything went right where it was supposed to.

[carbon]

ive purchased some launchpad crossbolt lighted nocks im trying to site my pheonix 305 and the nocks are breaking off when shooting everything is accurate .but why are the nocks breaking off.only ive done is put a new string on and it was done professionally.please help thks