Broadhead Analysis

[AJ01]

Perhaps we should shoot squirrels with a 500 grain solid from a .460 Weatherby??? It would indeed be a complete pass thru!!!

Or perhaps figure out a way to launch telephone poles with a ships anchor attached as a broadhead??

Fact..... This is a Native American natural point. I found this in Coryell County Texas. Commanche country. Pay attention to what it weighs!!

YES...that is 14 Grams. Not Grains. That's roughly 216 grains. Anybody make a 216 grain broadhead???



This is a size comparison.....



Yet this primitive piece of equipment killed Elk, Buffalo, Deer and MEN quite handedly shot at speeds of less than 100-130 fps depending on shaft material. My first vertical bow shot arrows at a mind boggling 170fsp!!!

Figure a 216 grain point shot at 150 fps...
Okay Engineers, what is the KE on that?? According to an energy calculator, it's 10.78 KE.
Once more using an Arrow Kinetic Energy Calculator using my current setup pf 355 fps witha 100g broadhead I get 27.96 KE
(Numbers calculated by using the KE calculator located on "Western Whitetails" homepage).
I'm damn sure no rocket scientist!!

If old school technologies (Native American) were quite proficient in killing all sizes of game with a rating of 10.78 KE, then pray tell, why do I need better, faster, slicker, deeper penetrating, more accurate arrow set up? Is it because I'm a worse hunter? Or a lousy shot and I need all the help I can get?

Perplexed in Texas!!!

Maybe I'll just go back to killing everything witha 7mm STW!!!


BTW....I ain't picking on anyone!!

[Boo]

I wonder how much arrow weight and how close you'd have to be to get a pass through on a whitetail with that point! I bet buffalo looked like a pin cushion before they were clubbed to death!

[janesy]

That's just to poke them in the butt to get them to run off a cliff

[Normous]

^^Took the words out of my mouth

[AJ01]

That's just to poke them in the butt to get them to run off a cliff

Ain't no cliffs on the plains of Texas!!! Not until you get to the Palo Duro Canyon, that is!!

Okay I will admit it. That's a pretty good-sized point. I've got probably 300 or more about the size of a quarter. How many of them would you have to fling in order to kill something the size of a Buffalo??

[Boo]

I bet the natives sat around the fire eating peyote and debating if they should use the tiny bird points or the wide 2 ounce points. Prolly got into a fist fight on top of the fire!

[AJ01]

I bet the natives sat around the fire eating peyote and debating if they should use the tiny bird points or the wide 2 ounce points. Prolly got into a fist fight on top of the fire!

Boo.... I wish ya wouldn't talk about MY ancestors like that!!!

[Boo]

I bet the natives sat around the fire eating peyote and debating if they should use the tiny bird points or the wide 2 ounce points. Prolly got into a fist fight on top of the fire!

Boo.... I wish ya wouldn't talk about MY ancestors like that!!!

[AJ01]

But the point is....No Pun Intended!!!

Everybody is gonna shoot what they like and what works for them. If guys wanna shot a 700g arrow at a dang chipmunk, that's their prerogative!!
If I wanna shoot crochet needles at a dadgummed Water Buffaloes, that's my death wish!!!
If I wanna hunt Elephants with a Daisy Red Ryder BB gun and can find someplace to do it, then it's my ass that gets turned to Elephant Toe Jam, not yours!!

The way I see it is like this, we all hunt, and probably most of us fish, but you can bet your behind that NONE of us use identical gear!!
If we did, how boring would this world be????

EAT, HUNT, SLEEP... REPEAT!!!


And by the stinking way....
If y'all ain't figured it out yet, I love to poke folks with a sharp stick!!!

[Boo]

And by the stinking way....
If y'all ain't figured it out yet, I love to poke folks with a sharp stick!!!

Nawwww!

[janesy]

45/70

[flinthead]

Those are some really nice points AJ… the ancient people of the Carolinas were no where near as artistic with their knapping. I do find an occasional corner notched point… there just wasn’t a lot of pretty material to work with.

[nchunterkw]

OK.....apples and oranges to say the least.

1) Why do you continue to try to equate GUNS to ARROWS? They kill in completely different ways. The difference between a 400gr and 600gr arrow is not the same as the difference between a .22 and a .357 Magnum like you always seem to throw out there. If the 2 arrows I mention have the same BH, and both pass through, the wound channel is exactly the same. The only difference is that the heavy one has a better chance of passing completely through than the lighter one.

2) the 216 gr BH (which is heavier than what many on here shoot by the way). WAS ATTACHED TO AN ARROW. Probably something in the 10 to 12 GPI range depending on wood type and diameter so even if it was 20" long (like the Apaches shot)the total arrow weight was easily above 400gr, SO similar to today. Huh, shocking. Arrows that killed animals a few hundred years ago exhibited the same physics as arrows of today. WHo'd a thunk it. Physics is still physics.


3) KE means nothing when it comes to penetration.

4) There are too many points to discuss regarding your post. Instead of hashing it out here....read this article. It is based on tons of research done on real animals.

https://static1.squarespace.com/static/5d0443b188b6c900011e0ccc/t/5e9378b48f4a085e431232d4/1586722996915/2019+Terminal+Arrow+Performance+Update.pdf

POKE POKE

[AJ01]

OK.....apples and oranges to say the least.

POKE POKE

Keith,

This whole line of these post boils down to one thing, and that's what I'm poking folks about, hunt with whatever YOU want to hunt with, and stop telling other's their set-up is ALL WRONG just because THEY like or shot something different than YOU do!!
And if I am not mistaken, we've been down this road many times before on this forum!!

And I'm using the term "you" cause it's simpler to write. And you know how us simpletons are!!!

And NO Keith, I'm NOT picking at YOU!!

To borrow a line, "Physics is still physics", and to add to it, "dead is still dead". And I've never had anyone, or anything ever come back from being dead to tell me any different!!

oh...and btw....there are different varieties of apples, and different varieties of oranges....go figure!

And I'm heading to Africa tomorrow to hunt Elephant with a table fork that I'll shot from a "Potato Launcher"!!
And I'll also be wearing a hazmat suit!!!



Deep from the Heart of the East Texas Piney Woods and Mental Health Rehab Facility!!!
Your NOT to Favorite Redneck!!
AJ

[AJ01]

Those are some really nice points AJ… the ancient people of the Carolinas were no where near as artistic with their knapping. I do find an occasional corner notched point… there just wasn’t a lot of pretty material to work with.

Thank ya Mark!!

I guess my love of this stuff came from my Mother's side of the family. Her Mom was a card carrying Creek (Muskogee Nation).
We have so much stuff laying around we look like a trading post!!