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Re: Parole, parole, parole... =)
In regards to being a "Maestro", if people expect that of me, they will be sadly disappointed.
As far as achievements and experience, there are people on this forum like Jim C who have far more archery accomplishments than I do, or will ever have.
I don't spend as much time on this forum as I used to but from your posts that I have seen, I do not know if you're someone just asking questions, or trying to entertain yourself with getting a reaction; posting comments like "I think the Excalibur is the dying company which tries to keep the small share due to fanatics and aggressive marketing" on the Excalibur site lends evidence to "just trying to get a reaction".
If you are trying to just get a reaction, you will have to look to someone else for a continued dialogue because I refuse to waste my time with continued involvement with people just seeking attention and arguement for its own sake. I simply have far more interesting things outside of the internet to occupy my time.
In the event my assesment is not correct, I will offer the following;
I know my own requirements and what fits them. You can chose to disbelieve or discount these, if you wish, that is your choice.
IMHO, folks can buy what they like but for my own use, I will only consider the Excalibur recurve. The reason is logical and experienced based, described in the lengthy narative that follows......
My bias towards Excalibur recurve crossbows has been documented in the past on the forum, a lot. This is based on what I describe as reliability. The reliability ensures that the accuracy will be retained and the point of impact will not shift due to some tuning problem related to cable, string and cam system issues.
The reliability issue is mainly one of string and cable wear on compounds, vert or crossbow. Shoot them just for hunting and occasional practice and they are just fine, they will last for years. Generally when they are shot through a full season of 3D shooting where with practice and the actual shoots, the archer may shoot hundreds of shots/week and the likelihood of problems increases. There are a number of highly stressed, small moving parts like cams, axles, bushings etc.
Some shooters will get a longer life out of their compound strings and cables and that?s great, but the trend in this volume of shooting is that there will likely be something that causes some grief. If you don't mind the occasional problem and are good at dealing with them then the compound could be just the ticket for you.
My personal 23 years of experience with compound verts and many observations of other problems at shoots indicate that a string, cable or serving failure that will put you out of action is very likely. At our February 2002 3D shoot we had three shooters who had to quit part way through the shoot due to string/cable failures they could not repair in the field. These were two vert compounds and an Excal. Paradox.
I am able to change a string, in the field in minutes and the recurve crossbow will retain the exact same point of impact, there is absolutely no need to sight in again. To me, this is very important for my enjoyment of shooting.
As for accuracy, they will shoot better than most of us can hold. On a day with no wind, when I am in my best form, I can hit a playing card at 50 yards offhand; I STRESS, this is strictly target shooting/3D/Practice type stuff, I do not advocate for one second shooting at live game at this range. Off the bench on a 20 yard indoor range you can shoot a bolt from my Vixen into a fresh target, go up pull the bolt, cock and load it again and shooting it into the same hole.
The advantages of the Excalibur, aside from the limb/string system and accuracy we like to expound on, are;
1. IMHO Best trigger in the business, all models share this trigger.
2. Top release latch mechanism which allows the use of flat base nocks, no cock fletch required, no special nocks. All models share this feature. The Horton doen't have this.
3. Aluminum deck on all models, not just the most expensive models.
4. Components are often improved but the critical dimensions match existing models, i.e. you could retrofit a 1994 manufacture Exocet with a machined riser and or limbs with Mag Tips. Some models in other brands become obsolete, i.e. steel cable assemblies can no longer be obtained for some models, you have to find a shop that can still make up steel cables.
5. Simple, solid scope mount system.
6. There are three separate scope models, you can chose one that works with your crossbow and it's velocity/trajectory.
7. They address any question very quickly, at least more quickly, thoroughly and accurately than any vert archer manufacturer I have delt with in the past 20 years.
8. Good line of simple, proven accessories that work well with the crossbow.
9. Repairs seldom required, if they are needed, Excal. works with the owner and makes sure it is made right.
As far as achievements and experience, there are people on this forum like Jim C who have far more archery accomplishments than I do, or will ever have.
I can't help anyone become a fan of anything. The individual needs to weigh the specifications and charcteristics of the available equipment against their own needs and preferences. If they come to a different conclusion than mine, thats just the way it is, it has no impact on my enjoyment of the sport.Loper wrote:I see no reason to choose a recurve, please help me to become the fan of excalibur![/b]
I don't spend as much time on this forum as I used to but from your posts that I have seen, I do not know if you're someone just asking questions, or trying to entertain yourself with getting a reaction; posting comments like "I think the Excalibur is the dying company which tries to keep the small share due to fanatics and aggressive marketing" on the Excalibur site lends evidence to "just trying to get a reaction".
If you are trying to just get a reaction, you will have to look to someone else for a continued dialogue because I refuse to waste my time with continued involvement with people just seeking attention and arguement for its own sake. I simply have far more interesting things outside of the internet to occupy my time.
In the event my assesment is not correct, I will offer the following;
I know my own requirements and what fits them. You can chose to disbelieve or discount these, if you wish, that is your choice.
IMHO, folks can buy what they like but for my own use, I will only consider the Excalibur recurve. The reason is logical and experienced based, described in the lengthy narative that follows......
My bias towards Excalibur recurve crossbows has been documented in the past on the forum, a lot. This is based on what I describe as reliability. The reliability ensures that the accuracy will be retained and the point of impact will not shift due to some tuning problem related to cable, string and cam system issues.
The reliability issue is mainly one of string and cable wear on compounds, vert or crossbow. Shoot them just for hunting and occasional practice and they are just fine, they will last for years. Generally when they are shot through a full season of 3D shooting where with practice and the actual shoots, the archer may shoot hundreds of shots/week and the likelihood of problems increases. There are a number of highly stressed, small moving parts like cams, axles, bushings etc.
Some shooters will get a longer life out of their compound strings and cables and that?s great, but the trend in this volume of shooting is that there will likely be something that causes some grief. If you don't mind the occasional problem and are good at dealing with them then the compound could be just the ticket for you.
My personal 23 years of experience with compound verts and many observations of other problems at shoots indicate that a string, cable or serving failure that will put you out of action is very likely. At our February 2002 3D shoot we had three shooters who had to quit part way through the shoot due to string/cable failures they could not repair in the field. These were two vert compounds and an Excal. Paradox.
I am able to change a string, in the field in minutes and the recurve crossbow will retain the exact same point of impact, there is absolutely no need to sight in again. To me, this is very important for my enjoyment of shooting.
As for accuracy, they will shoot better than most of us can hold. On a day with no wind, when I am in my best form, I can hit a playing card at 50 yards offhand; I STRESS, this is strictly target shooting/3D/Practice type stuff, I do not advocate for one second shooting at live game at this range. Off the bench on a 20 yard indoor range you can shoot a bolt from my Vixen into a fresh target, go up pull the bolt, cock and load it again and shooting it into the same hole.
The advantages of the Excalibur, aside from the limb/string system and accuracy we like to expound on, are;
1. IMHO Best trigger in the business, all models share this trigger.
2. Top release latch mechanism which allows the use of flat base nocks, no cock fletch required, no special nocks. All models share this feature. The Horton doen't have this.
3. Aluminum deck on all models, not just the most expensive models.
4. Components are often improved but the critical dimensions match existing models, i.e. you could retrofit a 1994 manufacture Exocet with a machined riser and or limbs with Mag Tips. Some models in other brands become obsolete, i.e. steel cable assemblies can no longer be obtained for some models, you have to find a shop that can still make up steel cables.
5. Simple, solid scope mount system.
6. There are three separate scope models, you can chose one that works with your crossbow and it's velocity/trajectory.
7. They address any question very quickly, at least more quickly, thoroughly and accurately than any vert archer manufacturer I have delt with in the past 20 years.
8. Good line of simple, proven accessories that work well with the crossbow.
9. Repairs seldom required, if they are needed, Excal. works with the owner and makes sure it is made right.
10Ring
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Loper
Thank you! I am happy now!
I am very grateful to you for your reply!
Now I know how to position my new (recurve) crossbow AK-48
I am looking for the partner in the USA and Canada for promotion of our new model... maybe Excalibur? Hardly it will want to help me...
Now I know how to position my new (recurve) crossbow AK-48
I am looking for the partner in the USA and Canada for promotion of our new model... maybe Excalibur? Hardly it will want to help me...
Re: Thank you! I am happy now!
http://www.archerysupplies.com/Loper wrote:I am looking for the partner in the USA and Canada
10Ring
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Loper
You are the Best!
I am your debtor now 
If you will want to visit Moscow - I am to your services! Just call.
http://www.iwa.info/main/dg1xb0w4/dg257 ... torschar=I
My Interloper Co will take part in IWA ARMS show. Unfortunately Excalibur will not accept participation in an exhibition IWA...
If you will want to visit Moscow - I am to your services! Just call.
http://www.iwa.info/main/dg1xb0w4/dg257 ... torschar=I
My Interloper Co will take part in IWA ARMS show. Unfortunately Excalibur will not accept participation in an exhibition IWA...